| Jane: Re: Liebzeit surname in Glogonj, Torontal | Hello Dorel,
I have heard of you before, and was in contact with Kathy (Tirheimer) Lara in 2003 and 2004. I have been to her website, and seen your website as well, so you are incorrect that I did not GOOGLE for Glogonj. I know that this was the name that my grandparents used for their former home, and birthplace. I know that the German name for this town/ village was Glogon, but it has not been that for a long time, and for a short time it was the Hungarian form "Galagonyas", and then Serbian Glogonj.
You have some lovely photos of the land of my ancestors, thank you for posting them. I am very familiar with the website http://www.geocities.com/glogoncousins/
I know that you helped Kathy with some information. She posted a lot of incorrect information, and when I told her this (because I had already transcribed the 3 LDS microfilms of births, marriage, and deaths), she at first changed some information, and then stopped making corrections. She did her work very quickly, and so made mistakes.
I took many years to do my research, and my information is correct, as far as it went on the microfilms.
My problems is, however, that the filming stopped about 1850 for marriages, about 1870 for births, and a little after than for deaths.
My great-grandfather's name, Joseph Liebzeit, is on the microfilm, and his wife Magdalena Willy, but not their marriage, or their children.
I got the information on the parents from my grandparents birth certificates.
They came to Canada in 1912 from "Hungary", as that was before the 1st big war.
My grandfather was Franz Liebzeit born May 13, 1886; (record #45 for baptisms for 1886, Church of St. Anna, Glogon, Banat of Hungary (in the Austrian-Hungarian Empire) indicates his baptism the same day.
But he had an older sister (Francisca born 16 Jul 1881), and an older brother (Peter Liebzeit born 22 Oct 1883, and then a younger sister, Maria Magdalena (born 14 July 1888).
Only my grandfather left Glogan/ Glogonj, his siblings remained there.
Through Kathy, I found the marriage of their parents Joseph Liebzeit married Magdalena Willy, on 29 Nov 1878. I was happy to find that one little piece of information.
I don't know when Joseph died, however, or when his wife Magdalena (Willy LIebzeit died.
I have very little information on the families of Francisca, who I know stayed in (the former) Yugoslavia all her life, I know she married and her husband did not have a German name, so she didn't have a problem in World War II.
She was still alive in December 1971 when my grandfather died in Winnipeg, because my aunt (his daughter) put that she was still in Yugoslavia. She would have been age 90 years by then. I know she had a family. But I have no way to find out about them. I think that her first husband was named Lohran, but he died and she remarried. From her 1st marriage she had a daughter, named Francisca born about 1908, and she later married a Trollmann. However there is a lot of confusion about this, and Kathy has the information incorrecly on that family. The husband of this daughter was killed in WWII and she married somebody else who didn't have a German name, then later went to Austria I think.
I know that the 2nd child, older brother of my grandfather, Peter Liebzeit had 3 children with a Maria Blossman (Blasman), named Joseph Liebzeit, Adam Liebzeit, and Mathias Liebzeit, before he married the mother on 4 Apr 1912 at Glogon, and then they had another son Georg Liebzeit born in September 1912. Adam and Mathias died as infants.
I know that one of the sons, I think it must have been Joseph, later moved to Banja Luka, and married, and had children, at least one son named Peter. But then I lost track of the family.
I know also that the youngest, Maria Magdalena Liebzeit was first married to Gyorgii (Georg)Czindritch or Czindritsc
on 03 Mar 1908, and they had 2 children, Michael (1908) and Francisca (1910), and Gyorgii died in the war sometime, and she remarried to Stephan Reiser, a widower with 3 sons.
Her older daughter Francisca Czindritch married Anton Nessel about 1928, in Glogonj, Serbia, and some of the family escaped from Serbia During WW II, to Germany.
I have found one of the sons there, the grandson of the younger sister of my grandfather.
But he will not tell me anything, I think the memories are too difficult for him to talk about. He also doesn't know English, and my German is very poor.
That's a very long story, but of all the descendants of the siblings of my grandfather, I've been able to locate only one now, and I had hoped to get more information on marriages in Glogon (Glogonj), and children born there, and information about the spouses, and etc.
Most of the information that I got on dates of births, marriages, and deaths after 1850-1870 were from Kathy (Tirheimer) Lara. Some information I found from the belongins of my grandparents, and a photo taken about 1920 in Glogonj, of the youngest sister with her two daugters, and one stepson.
Well, anyways, I have tried all the places you suggested here, I have lost contact with Kathy, she did update her website last year (2008), but not for my family.
So now I am at a "dead end", cannot locate any other relatvies on my father's side of the family.
I have researched my mother's family, from Ireland and Scotland, the records are not too difficult to locate, with hard work and persistence.
However, I don't imagine that you can or will help me out, I know the records are there at the Church of Santa Anna, in Glogonj. But I cannot go there, for financial reasons, and family committments.
So I guess I will never learn more about those relatives, unless you have some more suggestions.
Thanks for replying to my post, I didn't think you would ever see it. But your suggestions are not new to me, I can't find any information that way.
I hope you and your family are all well, Kathy sent me a few photos of when she was over there.
Best regards
Jane Liebzeit |
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