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	Tremmel: Nagy,Mail család Keresem a jásdi Mail és Nagy családok tagjait és leszármazottait,valamint olyannal is szivesen felvenném a kapcsolatot,aki ismeri a falu múltját.		2006/02/28, 18:53:23 #: 2006021722 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Helen: Jasd, Veszprem county Jasd-i leszarmazas vagyok. Keresem Kottyan, Janaszek, Csincsi, Huiber, Marek, Bolcsik, Sperai, Luksik csaladokat, magyarorszagon es USA-ban.		2006/07/06, 19:50:32 #: 200607220 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Tremmel: Re: Jasd, Veszprem county Kedves Helen! Janászek család van/volt Csatkán,Súron,Bakonycsernyén.(mind Jásdhoz közel) Marek névvel is találkoztam már,Polcsik család is van Csatkán,és Luksikok is,akik Jásdról származnak. Üdvözlettel: Tremmel Imre		2006/07/06, 20:06:22 #: 200607223 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helen: Re: Jasd, Veszprem county Szia Tremmel, Nagyon koszonom segitsegedet. Megtalaltam Luksik Andras-t Csatkan. Szamitok irni neki, hatha tudd valamit a jasd-i Luksikokrol. Ismered oket, vagy pedig honet tudod hogy jasdrol mentek Csatkara? A csatkai Janaszekal talalkoztam. Aszt mondta nekem hogy se hogyan se rokonom lehet!! Olvasni tuds-e angolul? Helen		2006/07/06, 20:34:59 #: 200607232 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Tremmel: Re: Jasd, Veszprem county Kedves Helen! Igen,bármit eltudok olvasni angolul,az írással van gond :) Luksik András személyes jó barátom.Csatka történetével foglalkozom,és a családok eredetével.Az anyakönyvben szerepelt a jásdi származás.Megadom a cimem,ott irhatok még adatokat. tremmel -k-u-k-a-c- citromail -p-o-n-t- hu Üdvözlettel: Imi		2006/07/06, 21:13:55 #: 200607239 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	paben: Pupish-Jasd Looking for relatives or records. My grandfather, Steven Pupish, born November 26, 1888, left Jasd in 1906 to come to the US. His siblings were Michael, Mary, Katherine, Theresa & Anna. His parents were Ana Matyus and Michael Pupish Jr.		2006/07/18, 03:51:23 #: 200607737 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Helen: Re: Pupis-Jasd Hello, I think I can provide some info about the Pupis family. Note that it is written Pupis in Hungary. From ellisisland.org, I think your grandfather was Istvan (Steve) Pupis who arrived in the US on Oct 9, 1906 at age 18yrs, thus born around 1888 so I am presuming that is he. There is also a Maria Pupis (spelled Pupics on ellisisland.org)who arrived in the US on Apr 7, 1910 at 16 yrs of age, thus born around 1884. Her father in Jasd was Mihaly (Michael) Pupis . Also from ellisisland.org, Katalin (Katherine) also 16 yrs when she arrived in US on Apr 26, 1912, thus born around 1896. Father was Mihaly Pupis in Jasd. As for Anna Pupis, she married Marton (Martin)Kottyan, who was a first cousin three times removed to me, about 1929. Anna was born about 1909 and died about 1970. Anna's parents were Mihaly Pupis and a Matyus, whose name I do not have, but presumably from your info, was Anna. This information was given to me in November, 2005 by Anna and Marton's son, Mihaly (Michael)Kottyan, born Sept 4, 1942, who is my second cousin twice removed. I do not know anything about your Michael, and Theresa Pupis. Do you know if they survived infancy and married in Jasd? I was told by Mihaly that only Istvan, Maria and Katalin went to the US. Mihaly remembers Istvan as being referred to as Pista-bacsi. Katalin was the only one of the three who ever returned to visit Jasd. I have seen photos of these Pupis siblings' families taken in the US, but Mihaly does not know which is which, only that they are photos of American relatives. If you send me your address I can send you copies of the copies I have. If you are further interested, you can view the Jasd microfilms through the Mormon church and thus obtain data about the Pupis family between 1828 and 1895. Or if you are interested in only a few dates, I could look them up for you as I have the Jasd microfilms on permanent loan at the nearest Mormon church to where I live. Although the Pupis family is not directly in my family tree, I would still be interested in more details about the ones in the US. Your relatives in Jasd would also be interested. Tell me about Istvan (Steven)...name of his wife, her birth date and place and also their marriage date and data about their children. Is your name Pupish? Are you in touch with Maria and Katherine's families? Helen		2006/07/18, 22:42:13 #: 200607764 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	paben: Re: Pupis-Jasd Helen, Yes! Everything you note matches my information perfectly. I remember when my mother's aunt katherine went back to Hungary for a visit. My one aunt told me that she believed Michael Pupis was a judge and that he owned vineyards. Michael Jr. was in World War I and was gassed or had a heart problem and died in 1916. I don't know about Theresa. My grandfather, Steven Pupish, married Elizabeth Sheder, who had come from Tes. They settled in Elizabeth, then Union, New Jersey where they had 4 children -Steven (drowned as a teen), Elizabeth, Margaret (my mother), and Judith. They are all deceased now, with my mom (and dad 6 weeks later) dying last year. I guess that's what set me off on this search. I don't seem to see your email address anywhere...do we just post it here? or am I missing something? I live in the US - New Jersey - and am happy to get this info. in English as I cannot read Hungarian. Pat		2006/07/19, 00:04:46 #: 200607766 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Helen: Hello Pat from Helen Hello Pat, So happy to hear from you so quickly. I will be letting our cousin Mihaly (Michael) Kottyan in Jasd know that we have contacted each other. He has two adult daughters, lovely young women, who have EMail and know some English and I can forward their contact info if you are interested. I am busy getting dinner on the table just now, but contact me at hventin -k-u-k-a-c- simcom.on.ca -p-o-n-t- As you can tell, I live in Canada. Helen		2006/07/20, 00:00:18 #: 200607803 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Helen: Re: EMail Hi Pat, Send me your EMail via a Reply to this. I notice that mine did not go through quite right....it is hventin@simcom dot on dot ca		2006/07/20, 01:15:44 #: 200607805 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Helen: Re: EMail Hello Pat, I just found the photos of the Pupis siblings. There is one that shows a man and woman of about middle age, average heights with three daughters, the youngest being about 10 yrs(?) and a boy. The photo is dated May 1961. Could this be your grandparents and their family, including your mother? Helen		2006/07/20, 01:46:25 #: 200607806 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Helen: Spitzer family in Veszprem I am looking for any information about a Spitzer family who lived in Veszprem county, near Jasd or Szapar.		2006/07/20, 01:58:51 #: 200607807 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helen: Rapali, Rapoli Rapali / Rapoli csaladtagokat keresek. I am looking for information about Rapali / Rapoli family members in Hungary,USA and Canada. hventin -k-u-k-a-c- simcom.on -p-o-n-t- ca		2006/09/07, 03:27:18 #: 200609248 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

Jasd - Nagy fórumban: Tremmel: Jásdi Nagy-ok

Jasd - Major fórumban: Tremmel: Jásdi Majorok

Jasd - Huiber fórumban: Tremmel: Huiber család

Jasd - Huiber fórumban: Helen: Re: Jasd-i Huiber családok

	Maryann : Stefanko/Bakor families I am trying to get information on Stefanko and Bakor families that came from Jasd, Hungary in the late 1800's to early 1900's. I understand that Veszprem is where I was told I could possibly get records of birth, baptism etc. Would there be a Catholic church there. I have been writing to so many places with no results I was hoping if I put these two names on this site, perhaps there is someone who can help me. I do know that the Bakor family owned a flour mill in that area.		2008/03/28, 15:24:41 #: 2008031617 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helen: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Hello Maryann, I am very familiar with the Jasd RC church records which stop at 1895. There are also Jasd vital records in the State records of nearby Tes which are 1896-1906. Films of these can be ordered through the Mormon Family History Centres. They are the best way to get info about Jasd. Yes, there are many Bachor, Bakor, Backor and Stefanko names. Some are married into my family line. Do write me anytime if you have questions. Always glad to share. Helen		2008/03/28, 16:32:00 #: 2008031623 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	paben: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Hi Maryann, Delighted to see a posting in English (so I can read it, without using my five dictionaries). Helen, who recently responded to you, is truly the expert on Jásd... and a wonderful person! My husband, son & I visited Jásd last year at this time and met with my Pupis relatives there, drank wine from my greatgrandfather's vineyard, ate heartily, and loved every moment. Certainly, as an English-only speaking person, I found it much easier to look at the Mormon microfilm tapes here than to try to get access to records in Hungary. I also found names of family descendants still living in several villages in Vesprem county simply by checking an online international telephone directory. I believe Jásd has their village directory on their website. Good luck with your search....mine has been unbelievably fulfilling .... and unending. Pat		2008/03/28, 16:56:20 #: 2008031627 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	paben: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Hi Maryann, Delighted to see a posting in English (so I can read it, without using my five dictionaries). Helen, who recently responded to you, is truly the expert on Jásd... and a wonderful person! My husband, son & I visited Jásd last year at this time and met with my Pupis relatives there, drank wine from my greatgrandfather's vineyard, ate heartily, and loved every moment. Certainly, as an English-only speaking person, I found it much easier to look at the Mormon microfilm tapes here than to try to get access to records in Hungary. I also found names of family descendants still living in several villages in Vesprem county simply by checking an online international telephone directory. I believe Jásd has their village directory on their website. Good luck with your search....mine has been unbelievably fulfilling .... and unending. Pat		2008/03/28, 16:56:54 #: 2008031628 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	paben: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families MaryAnn, There was a John Stefanko who was the godparent for Stephen Pupish Jr in 1916 in Elizabeth, NJ. As my Pupis relatives came from Jásd I assume this was a friend from the same village. Pat		2008/03/30, 22:38:49 #: 2008031735 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families We are trying to take your advice but not doing very well. I did go to the Mormon family centre but have plans to go away for a month or longer to visit children.It would have taken no less than 2 weeks for the microfilm to come in and then it would stay there for a month. That is the whole time that I would be gone so I decided to wait until I returned in June. You mentioned a church in Jasd but don't know how to get in touch with it and figured I'd wait on that too since it would probably be on the microfilm. I thought that once we found the village that they all came from it would be easy but obviously not. Any thing you can tell me would be appreciated - do they have an address for the city hall in Tes? Right now we are trying to find out more about the rest of the brothers that migrated here and never heard from or about since. Going through census and military records etc. Thank you for pointing me in the right direction and I'm sure it'll all come together. Maryann		2008/04/15, 22:48:25 #: 200804678 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	hventin: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Hello Maryann, Last I heard, the new priest's name is HALMAGYI ZOLTAN. You can address your letter to: Plebania, 8424 Jasd Kossuth utca Hungary Postponing ordering the films is not a bad idea. It does take a long time to go over the entries from 1828 to 1895 and I ended up by extending the date twice and that means the film is kept permanently at the Fam Hist Lib. One of my better "investments, as I can't believe how many times I have returned to that film to look up discrepancies and errors all made by me and to investigate lateral lines e.g 4th cousins five times removed! Best thing to do is get every bit of info from the Jasd and Tes films first. Get the film numbers on line so when you go to the Library you can just hand over the numbers you want. By the way for Tes, you would want only the State (allami), not church, records for 1896 - 1906. No guarantee that the priest will respond. I know for a fact,( because I tried!) that the Tes town council will not reply. And the person in charge is even from Jasd and is distantly related to me! Just for fun, look up the Jasd site: jasd.hu Click on "beleppes" or something similar, in the middle of the page, towards the bottom, sort of. Then click on everything that is clickable. Would you like me to alert my relatives that someone is looking for Bakors and Stefankos and would like to contact them? Actually now that I think of it the mother of one of my closer cousins was a Stefanko; even he might be able to help. Let me know if I can be of help. Hey, we might even be cousins! Helen		2008/04/16, 23:54:51 #: 200804715 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Thank you so much. There is a lot of information and It would be great if you could contact anyone regarding my relatives. I Had gone to the Jasd site before and didn't realize until you told me where to go that there was so many sites there unfortunately though, all in Hungarian. I did see the telephone book and it could have been a phone book from my hometown - the names were so familiar. I went back to check on the name Pupis on the manifest and was surprised to find that his destination was Hastings-on-Hudson,NY which was the destination of my grandfather and all of his brothers. One question: you suggested that I get the numbers of the films that I would need online - how do I go about doing that? It would also be great for any info on the Bakor family - I would appreciate anything you can do and it would be awesome to have another cousin!! Maryann		2008/04/17, 03:30:42 #: 200804720 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	paben: Jásd MaryAnn & Helen, I leave you two to figure this out, but on the Ellis Island records a ship arriving on Jan 18, 1905 had several passengers from Jásd. Two of them were: Marton Stefanko, 18 years old and Janos Kottyan, 17 years old. I had trouble reading across the manifest to see if they went to the same places or not. But I bet these two teens were friends by the end of that voyage, if not before. MaryAnn, have you been to Hastings-on-the-Hudson? I used to visit there when I was a child. Pat		2008/04/17, 15:37:23 #: 200804730 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann: Re: Jásd To Pat: It's amazing all the names that pop up as I'm doing this search - I was born in Hastings-on-Hudson and my grandfather,Marton lived there too. there was also a Joseph Stefanko that lived there and until a couple of months when another cousin of mine,that had been doing research, wrote to tell me that according to the info on the manifest, Joseph was the one that sponsored him and was listed as brother and the destination was Hastings. At some point there must have been falling out and it was never mentioned. One of my very good friends' grandfather was Joseph and we thought we may have been distant relatives - but were both shocked to find out that they were brothers. Incidentally, her family and mine all lived on the same street. I now live in a village right next to Hastings. There are a lot of names near my grandfathers but it is hard to tell where the ditto marks belong and so hard to read. I did see a Janos Kottyan in a little group there but not the destination. Perhaps a group of friends traveling together?? This is so exciting and also very frustrating. Maryann		2008/04/18, 20:44:10 #: 200804786 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	paben: Re: Jásd Maryann, My grandfather& his siblings all went to Hastings in the early 1900's. He, Steven Pupis, moved out to New Jersey, but his sister Mary married a Rapoli and lived for many years in Hastings. Her daughter married a Steve Resko and I recently connected with THEIR daughter, Mary Elizabeth. Mary would have been born in 1942 (in case you went to school with her!) Try emailing me directly at paben48 -k-u-k-a-c- comcast -p-o-n-t- net While there are no more Pupis names in Jásd, there are plenty of descendants AND the retired priest there turns out to be a distant cousin on my father's side! I know what you mean about the names. When I finally walked through the cemetery in Jásd all the names seemed familiar to me.....from going thru the Mormon tapes. Those village people tended to stay in one place (making our job easier). Pat		2008/04/18, 22:28:20 #: 200804791 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Helen: I don't understand, where do I get the numbers of the film to ask for when I go to the Mormon family center? I am so not familiar with microfilm. I am assuming that I go there to order the film with the numbers all ready but have no idea where I would get those numbers. I am so into this - I am having my cousin write to the church in Jásd in Hungarian. Thank you for the address and all other help. I am praying that this is not hopeless. Maryann		2008/04/19, 17:49:02 #: 200804815 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Richard : Re: Stefanko/Bakor families		2008/07/09, 00:33:22 #: 200807331 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Richard Stefanko: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families I am one of three sons of Frank Stefanko, who was one of seven sons of Martin(Marton)Stefanko and Marie Bakor. My older brother has begun tracking our dad's family with the help of some newly discovered cousins in New York(Hastings-on-Hudson). I just found this site on the web. Ihave no idea what its about. perhaps someone could explain what this site is?		2008/07/09, 00:43:36 #: 200807332 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Richard The site is for genealogy. You posted in the right place. Did you try www.ancestry.com/community and http://genforum.com From where were your STEFANKO/BAKOR families? www.surnamenavigator.org www.progenealogists.com/hungary www.felix-game.ca		2008/07/09, 01:39:43 #: 200807334 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann Sheridan (Stefanko): Re: Stefanko/Bakor families We have sent all of the information to your brother. Bonnie and I have been working on the Stefanko family genealogy for months and have sent him all the manifests, pictures etc. that we have found. I'm sure he will share it with you. You need to read all the posts above to find out how far we've gotten. M.Sheridan		2008/07/10, 16:32:08 #: 200807430 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Richard Stefanko: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families The transport information specifies the hometown of Marton as JASD hungary. I have no information about Marie Bakor.It appears that my grandfather was sponsored by John Stefanko		2008/07/12, 19:59:26 #: 200807508 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Richard Stefanko: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Thanks Maryann I suspected this was you, although I knew you as Marion. Mike has passed along the information you gave him, it is stil difficult to figure out who is who when presented as conversational. Mike has made an attempt at a family tree. Has he sent that to you or Bonnie. I still don't know who Bonnie is! And Mike wasn't sure Cousin daughter of which brother? I just happened upon this forum Mike didn't mention that you told him about it, and I see no reference in your correspondence.		2008/07/12, 20:10:22 #: 200807509 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Helen: Re: Jásd Re the Janos Kottyan who arrived Ellis Island in 1905: I have met his son,Joe, who is living in Bucyrus, Ohio and is a fourth cousin to me. Of course Joe was born in the US and does not know much about his ancestry but I just thought I would share this connection. I have made some inquiries in Jasd about the Bakors and Stefankos and can set up contact with descendants but first please provide me with all the info from the Catholic records of Jasd and the state (allami) records, 1895 - 1906 of Tes so I can help you. Helen		2008/08/08, 00:45:07 #: 200808292 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann Stefanko Sheridan: Re: Jásd I took your advice and ordered the Jasd microfilm and just went to check it out on Saturday. I was very disappointed- the woman that worked there set it up for me and I didn't realize that it would look so much like the manifest on the ships. It was very blurry but I did find a couple of Stefankos, one in 1832 (couldn't make out the first name) and the second one in 1852 and possibly a Bakor in 1853. I had a splitting headache and backache and just before I left I started fooling around with the lever on the front and it suddenly got quite a bit clearer but ready to close and had to leave so hopefully I can try again either on Thurs or Sat. next week...		2008/10/14, 05:41:33 #: 200810568 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann Stefanko: Re: Stefanko/Bakor This is in response to your last message. I have received so much information and do not know what to do with it all. I've been going to the Church of the Latter day saints and have slowly been going over names until I was bleary-eyed. Many, many Bakors and Stefankos. My cousin (on my Mother's side) has been writing to the priest and She finally heard from him and just today she sent me his responses - lists of the births and deaths from 1828-1879. which I have to pay $150.00 for. Nothing from 1895 to 1906 which was what I really wanted. Right now it is overwhelming. Any help from you regarding descendants would be greatly appreciated..		2008/12/16, 17:34:18 #: 200812675 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Helen: Re: Stefanko/Bakor Hello Maryann, The Jasd records, 1828 -1895, are avilable free from the Mormon church. All you pay is the mailing charge. If you want to keep them for longer, you just re- reserve them. The person at the Latter Day Saints History Library will tell you all about it. There is absolutely no need to pay $150.00 to obtain these records from the Jasd priest. That is a LOT OF MONEY to ask from you, when the same records are so readily and cheaply available from the Mormons! The civil records from 1896, when civil registration became available , until 1906 when filming stopped, were done at Tes, the nearby town, not Jasd. These records are also readily available from the Mormons, minimal cost, no hassle. Just go on the Mormon site and look for the Tes CIVIL Registrations, get the numbers (I think there are two reels) and order them from your nearest Mormon Fam Hist Lib. I use them a lot, too. As for records post 1906.... that is "only" a hundred years ago!.... I think I mentionned before that I could help you with that as there are Stefankos rambling around my ancestral attic whom I wouldn't mind coralling! I am sure if you give me some Stefanko names,their parents, offspring and all that stuff, I could locate a living cousin or more for you. All I need is time, of course. Genealogists seem to run short of time often, like, most of the TIME! I am so sorry that I have not been more of a help earlier and I am sorry for your frustrations, but rest assured, things will get easier. Please write to me at hventin -k-u-k-a-c- simcom.on -p-o-n-t- ca, and ask your cousins to do the same. I bet some of our reaearch overlaps. Love to hear from you. I am now going to EMail one of my cousins in Jasd and ask him to start doing some inquiries about Stefankos. All the best for the holidays, Helen		2008/12/17, 22:09:31 #: 200812737 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Helen: Re: Stefanko/Bakor Hello Maryann I would be very interested to have your email address. Saves time! Regards for the season, Helen		2008/12/18, 00:07:00 #: 200812740 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann Sheridan: Re: Stefanko/Bakor To Helen: My e-mail address is Marsher33 -k-u-k-a-c- aol.com -p-o-n-t- I did receive the microfilm from 1728-1878 and just recently got some others but haven't been able to get there lately. The lists that the priest sent were so much clearer. Also, the lists were only Bakors and Stefankos christening and deaths. I had been struggling and taking notes and they were a mess of misspelled words, hard to see and so time consuming. I think that the equipment you were using may have been better than what we have here. Ours has seen better days. It would be much easier to write through e-mails. Maryann		2008/12/23, 06:31:03 #: 200812919 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helen Tisztelettel, Szeretnek kapcsolatban lenni Pinkova Laszolne sz. Pinter Magdolnaval, vagy gyerekeivel. Csaladi fa miatt keresem Laszlonak a szulei es testverei nevuket. Elore koszonom.		2009/03/14, 17:28:38 #: 200903822 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Bev: Re: Jásd Not quite sure where or who this message is going to but...anyhow... Is the Joseph Stefanko mentioned married to Rose (maiden name Vellner)? I don't recall the names of all the relatives on the Stefanko branch -- only the daughter Mary Pearce (?) and she had a daughter Evelyn (do not recall her married name). Mary died quite some time ago. I believe Evelyn still lives in Hastings. My sister and I always thought Rose was our grandfather's sister but have learned through research that she is our grandmother's sister. Grandmother's family from Csatka and grandfather's from Szapar. You say you live in a village right next to Hastings -- we grew up in Dobbs Ferry. Could we already know each other? I'm interested in learning a little more about this branch of the family. Thanks and I look forward to any replies. Bev		2009/04/05, 22:52:49 #: 200904132 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Re: Jásd Vellner Rozália valóban csatkai volt, tudok pár adatot a szüleiről, nagyszüleiről.		2009/12/21, 15:28:22 #: 200912685 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	bev bleakley: Re: Jásd Could someone translate your message into English? Thank you.		2009/12/21, 16:08:15 #: 200912686 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Re: Jásd Vellner Rozália was born in Csatka, 1885. Parents: Vellner Ferenc (born in Csatka, 1 October 1853. - died in Csatka, 16 May 1926.) Zsebrak Terezia (born in Sur, 1862. - died in Csatka, 13 September 1900.) Zsebrak Terezia's parents: Zsebrak Janos - Virag Rozalia Vellner Ferenc's parents: Vellner Janos (born in Aka, 1826. - died in Csatka, 3 December 1909.) Takacs Katalin (born in Csatka, 1824. - died in Csatka, 21 November 1895.) Vellner Janos's parents: Vellner Matyas - Klenota Erzsebet Takacs Katalin's parents: unknown		2009/12/21, 16:26:21 #: 200912687 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	bev bleakley: Re: Jásd Thank you for all the information and translation.		2009/12/21, 20:00:36 #: 200912692 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Re: Jásd Do you know more information about Rose Vellner?		2009/12/21, 20:23:20 #: 200912693 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	bev bleakley: Re: Jásd Don't know too much. Are you a relative of hers?		2009/12/21, 20:35:45 #: 200912694 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Re: Jásd I'm from Csatka, my hobby is Csatka's history.		2009/12/21, 20:45:33 #: 200912695 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	bev bleakley: Re: Jásd The three sisters (Rose, Maria,and Erzsebet) came to USA early 1900's. It is my understanding they were sent here by their father upon completion of their "education". The trip was to be a vacation of sorts, however, they never returned to Hungary. I don't know if Rose was married to Joe Stefanko prior to coming to USA or if she met him here. Maria and Erzsebet met their husbands in USA. Erzsebet is my grandmother, she died 1930. Maria along with other family members (my father and his sister included) were to make a trip to Csatka in 1940's. Trip was cancelled due to the outbreak of war. I think both Rose and Mary died in the 1970's (I'd have to check into that further). I am sure there are family members in Hungary but I do not know names, or even if any family is still located in Csatka. My father is 89 and basically has no knowledge of his family history. He is always amazed at whatever information we've been able to "dig up". What can you tell me about the Vellner family from Csatka?		2009/12/21, 21:24:39 #: 200912696 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	hventin: Re: Stefanko famies of Jasd I have a sprinkling of Stefanko's in lateral lines of my family tree. I think there must have been at least two separate Stefanko families because I found an Erzsebet (Elizabeth) Stefanko marrying a Marton (Martin) Stefanko in 1910; I found the marriage date in the death record of Erzsebet, 26 Mar 1959,in tha Jasd Death Records 1951 - 1971. Do you know about when Stefanko name first appears in Jasd records? Were the Stefankos among the first settlers of Jasd in 1757? If you don't know, I can look it up for you. I don't know if I could help you but do not hesitate to write me. I have an interest in all Jasd families,perhaps because I seem to be related by blood or by marriage to many of them! hventin -k-u-k-a-c- simcom.on -p-o-n-t- ca		2009/12/21, 22:28:53 #: 200912700 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Re: Jásd Thank you for the answer! I don't speak and write English very well :( I have exactly informations since 1895. Vellner Ferenc and Zsebrak Terezia's children: Vellner Rozalia 1885 Vellner Maria 1889 Vellner Erzsebet 1892 Vellner Gabor 24 March 1893 - 28 May 1966. Married with Stampfer Anna in 17 Oct 1921. They died and burial in Budapest. Vellner Ferenc 18 March 1895 - 13 April 1961 in Csatka married with Fribiczer Erzsebet 18 May 1920. They died in Csatka, they had no children. Vellner Margit 20 Febr 1897. - 9 March 1898. Vellner Ferenc's second wife: Fribiczer Erzsebet Marriage date: 11 May 1901. Witnesses: Baranyai Jozsef and Biroczky Marton from Csatka Children: Vellner Jozsef 10 Febr 1902 - ?		2009/12/22, 01:00:49 #: 200912704 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Re: Jásd Jásd családnevei 1828-ból: Almsteuer 2, Bakor 2, Bauer 2, Belcsik 7, Benke, Benkovics 5, Bernad, Beterka, Bierbauer 2, Blanár 2, Bognár 2, Bottsek 2, Bucsány, Czancz, Csizmadia, Csupecz, Drabala, Endrel, Esztergályos 2, Fidler 3, Fojtyik, Folding, Földi, Frischholz, Gáll 2, Gavacs 3, Gonda, Grund, Harninger, Harpauer, Hauer, Hauz, Havlik 2, Hegedüs 2, Heider, Herlinger, Hodul, Hornyácsek 2, Hornyák 4, Horváth 2, Huiber, Huttyán 3, Janászek 3, Jezsek, Jules 2, Karner, Kázik, Kitzberger, Koditisek, Kohn, Koroznai, Kottyán 2, Kovács 4, Krabácz, Kriszt, Laczó 2, Lalák, Litsák 2, Lukács, Magh, Major 5, Makovi 2, Malina, Marek, Maszvadi, Mátyás 2, Mazek, Mihalek, Mikeska, Mitsok, Mlinárik, Mokan, Molnár, Nadenitsek 2, Nagy 2, Novák, Okenka, Ónódi, Paszek, Pázmándi, Pazmaszki 3, Peipasel, Petuka, Péter, Pick, Pinka, Pintér 3, Pogel, Polcsik 3, Poputtyák, Pospisel, Puppis 2, Puskás, Puzme, Rainer, Rapali, Rehn, Rehus 3, Ruzicska, Sajer, Schmegal, Selvai, Simon 2, Skoflek, Slavik, Smaka, Smolc, Smid, Sperai 5, Sropák, Stefanek, Stefánkó 3, Steiner 2, Straka, Suberl, Svajda, Szarvas, Szatva, Szloboda 2, Szupik 2, Szűcs, Tez, Torma 4, Troják 2, Udvari, Újvári, Vachtler 4, Valicsek, Valzó, Varga, Vimmer 2, Vinczellér 4, Vodarek 3, Volek, Vöröss		2010/02/07, 15:18:27 #: 201002329 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helen: Re: Jásd Hello Imi, Thank you for sharing the 1828 Census names of Jasd. Helen		2010/02/07, 17:42:04 #: 201002360 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	paben: Re: Jásd Helen (& Imi) do you think anyone on this listserve might know where in Slovakia the Pupis or Kottyan families came from in the 18th century? Or for that matter, where in Germany the Tremmel families who were settled in Bakonynana came from at about the same time? Sorry for posting this in English, perhaps you could ask it in Hungarian :-) Pat		2010/02/07, 19:03:09 #: 201002363 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Re: Jásd Kedves Pat! Sajnos semmiféle irat nem maradt fel erről, hogy honnan hozhatták a telepeseket. Egy tippem van, mivel Súr és Bakonycsernye is Zichy birtok volt, ahogy Jásd is, a felvidéki szlovák telepeseket is gondolom egy helyről hozhatták. Bakonycsernye történetében azt olvastam, hogy a telepesek Trencsén illetve Nyitra vármegyéből származtak. A bakonynánai telepesek származásáról sem maradt fent semmiféle irat sajnos. Tremmel nevűek inkább Németország déli részén (Bajorország, Württemberg) fordulnak elő most is. Sajnos angolul annyira nem tudok, Helent megkérem,hogy fordítsa le neked amit írtam :) Imi		2010/02/07, 21:47:36 #: 201002367 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helen: Re: Jásd Hello Pat, Here is what Imi wrote: "Unfortunately no written record remains about where the settlers came from. I have one tip in that since Sur and Bakonycsernye were part of the Zichy estate, as was Jasd, I think that the settlers in those villages came from one place in (present) Slovakia. I read in a history of Bakonycsernye that the settlers came from (present) Trencsin and Nitra counties. No records remain about the Bakonynana settlers either. The Tremmel name is still found in the south of Germany (Bajororszag, Wurttemberg) Sorry that I do not write English well. Helen, Please translate for me." Pat, the above info is what I have also. The only addition is that I read in a history of Jasd, that the settlers also came from the former Turoc county in present Slovakia. Yes, it would be great to track down the Kottyan and Pupis ancestors. WHEN I GET TO IT, I am going to take a closer look at the 1715 census. I might be able to find the village where they came from. A big job, though! All the best regards to Pat and Imi. Helen		2010/02/08, 00:43:54 #: 201002375 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Ken_Chupinsky: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families I am a decendant of Bakor Katalin m. Gavacs Istvan through a daughter Elizabeth born in 1898 in Jasd. I was stunned at the treasure trove of info on the one microfilm of Jasd church records to 1895. I suggest that you start at the end and work backwards. be sure to notice that there are separate registers of baptisms (births), marriages. I have not looked at it in a long time - not sure if there is a register of deaths or if they noted deaths on the Baptism record. In a day of two of diligent work, you can probably get back to the 1830's or 1840's. There are several easily findable translation guides for the Hungarian words in these records. Also, the older records are in Latin. Best of luck, Ken		2010/03/17, 01:45:05 #: 201003680 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helen: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Hi Ken, Glad to meet someone else whose roots are in Jasd. Great place....have you been? Your ancestors and mine were among the first 100 families to settle Jasd in 1757. They not only knew each other but married into each other's families. By the way, there are vital statistics of Jasd for 1896 to about 1915 and even beyond now available in the Tes Civil records. Regards, Helen		2010/03/17, 16:24:24 #: 201003703 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Ken_Chupinsky: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families Hi Helen - thanks for the kind words. No - I have not visited but hope to soon - it's on my "bucket list". I did a virtual visit on Google Earth. If you have been there, can you tell me if there is a single cemetary south east of what seems like the main part of the village? Are there houses that could have been there at the turn of the 20th century? If you have anything to share about the first 100 families to settle in 1757, I would love to hear about it. (kchupinsky -k-u-k-a-c- aol -p-o-n-t- com) If anyone is interested, there are a few other entries in the ship arrival record for Gavacs Erzabet (April 1912 - they sailed 4/15, a few days after the Titanic sunk) for others also from Jasd. I will look them up and post them if there is interest. The LDS film for the Catholic Church Records is #699576 Title Anyakönyvek (Baptisms, Marriages and Deaths), 1828-1895 Authors Római Katólikus Egyház, Jásd (Main Author) Notes Az eredeti iratok mikrofilmrevétele Budapesten a Magyar Országos Levéltárban történt. ----------------------------------------------------------- Roman Catholic Church register of births, marriages and deaths for Jásd. Subjects Hungary, Veszprém, Jásd - Church records Format Manuscript (On Film) Language Hungarian Latin Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmre vette a Genealogical Society of Utah, 1965 Physical 1 mikrofilmtekercs ; 35 mm. The Civil Records (Tees) are on several films - see below Title Állami anyakönyvek, 1895-1975 Authors Teés (Veszprém). Anyakönyvi Hivatal (Main Author) Notes Az eredeti iratok mikrofilmre vétele Szekszárdon a Tolna Megyei Levéltárban történt. ----------------------------------------------------------- Civil registration of births, marriages, and deaths for Teés (later Tés), Veszprém, Hungary. Text in Hungarian. Civil registration began October 1895. Subjects Hungary, Veszprém, Teés - Civil registration Format Manuscript (On Film) Language Hungarian Publication Salt Lake City, Utah : Filmre vette a Genealogical Society of Utah, 1999-2007 Physical 5 mikrofilmtekercsen ; 35 mm. Születtek (Births) 1895-1899 FHL INTL Film 2189630 Item 2 Születtek 1900-1906 FHL INTL Film 2189631 Items 1 - 2 Házasultak (Marriages) 1895-1899 (nov.) FHL INTL Film 2189631 Item 3 Házasultak (nov.) 1899-1906 FHL INTL Film 2189632 Item 1 Halottak 1895-1901 (nov.) FHL INTL Film 2189632 Items 2 - 3 Halottak (nov.) 1901-1906 VAULT INTL Film 2189633 Item 1 Házasultak (foly.) 1921-1931 VAULT INTL Film 2420182 Item 1 Házasultak 1932-1946 VAULT INTL Film 2420182 Item 2 Halottak (Deaths) 1907-1931 VAULT INTL Film 2420182 Item 3 Halottak 1932-1975 VAULT INTL Film 2420182 Item 4 Születtek 1907-1915 VAULT INTL Film 2419023 Item 6 Házasultak 1907-1921 VAULT INTL Film 2419023 Item 7 Best wishes to all, Ken		2010/03/18, 02:42:40 #: 201003725 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann Stefanko: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families I have lists for the deaths and christenings from 1828 to 1879 for only Bakors and Stefankos. I am looking for 1880 lists which is when my grandmother was born. I did get the microfilm from the mormon church but it started later than 1880. Her name was Maria Bakor. I did look at the Christening list and there is an Elizabeth Gavacs and Imre Bakor having a daughter,Anna in 1877 and another daughter,Eva in 1879.The name Gavacs caught my eye because there is an Elizabeth Gavacs Szente living in the village that I was born in. Her mother was a good friend of my Motherss. I wish I had the birth and marriage records too! It is so confusing going through these lists when most of the names are the same...		2010/03/19, 05:40:03 #: 201003785 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Maryann Stefanko: Re: Stefanko/Bakor families I just wrote about the christening of Imre Bakor and Elizabeth Gavacs' daughter and just checked the death list -daughter Anna died in 1879 at 15 mos. There are quite a few deaths of babies around that age		2010/03/19, 05:55:30 #: 201003786 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helenv63: Re:village of Jasd Hello Ken, Please forgive that I have not written sooner. Time just seems to slip by. Moreover...I forgot. There is only one cemetery in Jasd. It is on a hillside. One cannot possibly miss it. There are houses in Jasd that date back to the late 1700s. Look up jasd.hu on the net for the homepage for Jasd municipality. Click on everything and you can get an idea of what it looks like. A very pretty place. I am going again in September; if there is anything you would like a photo of that is not on the website, e.g. a family house, or a gravestone, let me know and I will see what I can do. Why don't you plan on meeting me in Jasd in May / June of 2011? Never know, it could work out! Do you speak any Hungarian, Ken? Best of luck,Helen.		2010/08/25, 01:54:46 #: 201008780 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helenv63: Re:village of Jasd Hello Ken, Please forgive that I have not written sooner. Time just seems to slip by. Moreover...I forgot. There is only one cemetery in Jasd. It is on a hillside. One cannot possibly miss it. There are houses in Jasd that date back to the late 1700s. Look up jasd.hu on the net for the homepage for Jasd municipality. Click on everything and you can get an idea of what it looks like. A very pretty place. I am going again in September; if there is anything you would like a photo of that is not on the website, e.g. a family house, or a gravestone, let me know and I will see what I can do. Why don't you plan on meeting me in Jasd in May / June of 2011? Never know, it could work out! Do you speak any Hungarian, Ken? Best of luck,Helen.		2010/08/25, 01:56:52 #: 201008781 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Úrbárium Jásd 1768. április 18. Alább írattak praesentium per vigorem regognoscálluk, hogy mi die et anno infrascriptis Feölséges Aszonyunk kegyelmes parantsolattyának értelme szerént, a' Tekintetes Nemes Vármegye commissiójábul jöttünk ki ezen Tekintetes Nemes Veszprém Vármegyében helyheztetett Jásd névű helységben, holott is nemzetes Herkál Pál, méltóságos gróff Zichy István úr eő nagyságának palotai kasz-nárjának jelenlétében élőnkben bírván emiétett Jásd nevezetű helységnek s jobbágyoknak alulírtt elöljáróit30, s azokat megesküttetvén, elsőben is Fölséges Aszonyunk által kegyeimessen kiadott kilencz punctumokra megkérdezvén s exa-minálván, hitek szerént e' képpen tettek feleletet tudnia illik. Ad 1-um. A' helységnek semminemű urbáriuma nintsen. Ad 2-dum. A' parasztok jobbágyi szolgálatra és adózásokra hajtattak a' contractus szerént, mely 1757-dik esztendőben die 2-a Április költ. Ezen contractuson kívül pedig más nintsen, nem is volt, hanem annak üdejétűl fogva kezdődőt kötelességeknek szolgálativá. Ad 3-um. Valamint hogy contractualiter hozattattak bé az adományok, úgy a' szerént adattak is. Ad 4-um. Haszonvételei vannak a' helységnek, hogy földgyük, ami kevés vagyon, középszerű termékenségű, erdejek tűzre való fára nézve elegendő vagyon, épületnek pedig a' méltóságos uraság ingyen enged más határokon. A' szénégetésbűi, famunkábul és tűzre való fának distractiójábul valamely hasznot vesznek, malmok is a' határban vagyon. Fogyatkozási pedig azok, hogy legelő mezejek igen szoros a' nagy hegyek miatt. Ad 5-um. Egész házhelyes gazda egy sintsen, hanem mind fél házhelyessek maguk között való osztál szerént, s azok közül kinek 20, kinek 18, kinek 16, 14, 10 és kevesebb posonyi alá való hold földgye vagyon, s ezen földek átallyában mind irtások, réttye pedig némelynek egy, némelynek kettő, némelynek három szekér szénát termő vagyon, sarjút pedig nem lehet kaszálni. 3 , 1 A másolatban megvannak az elöljárók nevei is: „úgymint Szupik Jánost falu bíráját, Kovács Mártont, Esztergálos Mihált, Bachor Mártont, Boros Jánost és Sperai Mihált helység notariussát." Ad 6-um. Ezen helység robottyának sem minéműségének, sem napi számának még ekkoráig bizonyos rendgye nem volt, és így a' robotra menés és visz-szajövés is tsak ahoz alkalmaztatott. Ad 7-um. Mindekkoráig kilenczedet nem adtak, hanem contractus szerént tizedet, sőt ha volt-é más uraságnál szokásban a' kilenczedadás vagy sem, nem tudgyák, de azonkívül a' földesuraságnak akármely adománt vagy ajándékot sem in natura, sem készpénzül nem adtak, nem is kérettetett tülük. Ad 8-um. Puszta házhely a' helységben egy sem találtatik. Ad 9-um. A' polgárok mind szabadmenetelűek. Mely praevio modo előttünk az alulírtt lakosoknak hitek szerént lett vallásoknál teszszük ezen alázotos relatiónkat, és a' sub puncto 2-do attingált con-tractust sub numero l-o hasonló alázatossággal adnectálluk. Signatum Jásd, die 18-a mensis Április 1768. Boronkay János, Tekintetes Nemes Veszprém Vármegyének processualis vi-ceszolgabírája m. p. (L. S.), Végh János, azon Tekintetes Nemes Vármegyének esküttye m. p. (L. S.) Ezen főllebb írtt vallásunk előttünk elolvastatván és megmagyaráztatván, hogy mi a' szerént vallottuk légyen, recognoscálluk, és kezünk keresztvonásával bizoníttyuk. Signatum Jásd, die 18-a mensis Április 1768. Falu bírája Supik János x, Kovácz Mártony x, Esztergálos Mihály x, Bachor Mártony x, Boros János x esküitek, Speray Mihály nótárius m. p. (L. S.)		2010/09/08, 18:49:09 #: 201009271 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Egy kis statisztika 1890-ben 1279 ember élt Jásdon: Ebből: Magyar: 783 Német: 197 Szlovák: 299 Római katolikus: 1166 Evangélikus: 80 Református: 14 Zsidó: 19 Lakóház: 135 db Ugyanezen adatok 1910-re, 20 évvel később: Lakosság: 1143, ebből: Magyar: 1129 Német: 6 Szlovák: 8 (elképesztő az asszimilálódás mértéke) 6 ember kivételével mindenki tud magyarul. Római katolikus: 1033 Görög katolikus: 2 Evangélikus: 49 Református: 47 Zsidó: 12 Házak száma 218, ebből 82 szalmatetős és 8 vályogfalazatú.		2010/09/29, 19:18:22 #: 2010091085 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Érdekes történet 1848-ból Ferenczi Eduárd jásdi lelkész Havuk György negyedtelkes gazdát panaszolja be a kormánybiztos előtt június elején. Havlik, aki mint „néplázító a környékben ösmeretes", 1845 óta rágalmazza a lelkészt, 1848 tavaszán „lealázó, lerontó gaz beszédeket" tart s többször kijelenti: ő megmutatja azt, hogy engem mint honárulót felakasztat." Mindenki előtt hangoztatja, hogy „őneki senki nem parancsol, ő senkitől nem fél, puskával, karddal el lévén látva". A bírótól a helység pénzét követeli és „hamis" levelekben bujtogat a jegyző és a megye által kitüntetett tanító ellen. Május 31-én a szabadcsapat ún. piros pántlikás toborzóit lázította fel, akik éjszaka „belekapcáskod-tak" a lelkészbe és csak az ő bátor és magabiztos fellépésének köszönhető, hogy az esetnek nem lett véres kimenetele. Más alkalommal Mészáros István haszonbérlő ellen ingerelte a lakosokat. Működése június 3-án tiltott bor- és pálinkaméréssel folytatódik. Június 27-én Hunkár Mihály szolgabíró szigorú büntetés kilátásba helyezésével eltiltja Havlikot a becsületsértő kifejezésektől, s ezzel az ügyet a maga részéről le is zárta		2010/11/10, 18:20:37 #: 201011540 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Imi: Re: Érdekes történet 1848-ból A Havuk természetesen elírás, Havlik névről van szó.		2010/11/10, 18:22:01 #: 201011541 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helen Szmulai leszarmazatok erdekkelnek. I am interested in Szmulai descendants. Helen		2011/09/30, 00:39:44 #: 201109731 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Nynaa21: Rapali családnév/ Rapali lastname Ha esetleg valakinek van írott forrása, vagy kutatása a Rapali nevet,Rapaliak eredetét illetően, kérem írjon. Bármilyen írott forrásnak nagyon örülnék!! Távoli rokonokat is szívesen fogadok:) If anyone has got any old documents about Rapali's, their roots, or where did they come from please contact me. I'm glad about new relatives too:)		2011/10/10, 17:01:03 #: 201110260 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	helen: Re: Rapali családnév/ Rapali lastname Engemet erdekelnek a jasdi, Veszprem megyei Rapaliak. Azokrol erdekelsz? Helen		2011/10/11, 00:52:02 #: 201110268 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

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