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	leporis: Janos I am looking for records for my Leporis family that could establish lineage. They emigrated from Pinczed in Oct. 1913. My great grandmother (Anna) listed her father in law as relative in Pinczed as he (Janos) was my great great grandfather. Leporis is very old family and any help would be appreciated. May be listed as Leporisz as well.		2007/11/12, 02:14:53 #: 200711685 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: LEPORIS Hi 8 LEPORISs and 8 LEPORISZs thru Ellis Island. www.ellisislandrecords.org LEPORIS in Czech Republic http://phone.quick.cz LEPORIS in Slovak Republic www.zoznamst.sk www.iabsi.com/gen/public Pinczed, Bacs-Bodrog megye Hungary http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 www.surnamenavigator.org www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dsinfo.htm check the census film		2007/11/12, 02:24:49 #: 200711687 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: LEPORIS Thanks, I'll look in these places. The Mormans also list some census information on microfilm 622967 but don't know where to go to view.		2007/11/12, 02:54:15 #: 200711688 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: LEPORIS Your welcome. www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp click on Place search. You will view the film in the Family History Center Library near you.		2007/11/12, 02:59:11 #: 200711689 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: LEPORIS Could not find any document of immigration for Great grandfather Louis (Lajos) or his brother Samuel. We think they sneak in and sent later for family. Only family in records is Anna (grandma) with my great aunts, three of which were born in old country -Pinczed. Still looking with great interest and will contact FHL this week about microfilm. Once I get close I will no doubt put a few stamps in my passport. :)		2007/11/12, 08:09:59 #: 200711696 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: LEPORIS leporis You do know that Lajos (could be transcribed as Layos/Fajos/Tajos etc) could have come thru Boston, Baltimore, Philadelphia, Galveston or Canada's port. No such thing as sneaking in unless he came on someone else's ticket. Did you use www.stevemorse.org to find the manifest, if he came thru Ellis Island?		2007/11/12, 14:36:00 #: 200711703 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: LEPORIS(Z) LEPORISZ Samuel arr. in 1907 from Pruczed (sp?) LEPORIS Eajos (Lajos) arr. in 1913 from Elionice (Pivnice) www.ellisislandrecords.org		2007/11/12, 14:42:53 #: 200711704 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: LEPORIS(Z) Many thanks for opening my eyes. The record you mentioned I found listed my great grandfather as Bajos. The "B" is a very stylish type Prussian (?). The place of origin and dates matches my great grand mothers I think and he even lists her as nearest relative ie: Anna Leporis (she came later after Uncle Sam got him a job in steel mill). One question though, when Anna came over she listed "grandfather" Janos Leporis. The trade index listed him with a "Z" at the end of his name. Why?? They obviously ALL dropped the "Z" immediately when they came here. Great Aunt Sue was Urska so the first names also changed as well obviously (Bajos-Louis). Incidently his immigration record had his name in his own hand to verify handwriting to another document already in my possession. I am very happy but full of even more questions. What is the difference between Pinczed and Pivnice??		2007/11/13, 03:11:53 #: 200711743 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: LEPORIS(Z) Your welcome. What is a difference between Pinczed and Pivnice? Pinczed is in Hungarian and Pivnice in Slavic/Serbian Uska LEPORIS was naturalized citizen. There is no Bajos only Lajos. His first name was transcribed as Eajos which is Lajos. http://topolcsanyi.alphalink.com.au/names LEPORISZ would be Hungarian. Immigration record, if you mean EI manifest, it was written by a shipping clerk.		2007/11/13, 03:26:15 #: 200711746 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: LEPORIS(Z) Thanks again, I am very interested in getting as much correct as possible. I will try to absorb this information and build from here. Talk again soon I hope. Louis Leporis		2007/11/13, 03:36:22 #: 200711748 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: LEPORIS(Z) I get it now! Ha! Thats why great grandma listed origin as Pinczed she was Croatian. Make sense? So, the immigration records list place of origin as actual birthplace. Eajos lists Slovak and Anna lists Croatian. Therefore, Pinczed is in Hungarian and Pivnice in Slavic/Serbian. Correct?? Anna (g-ma) lists birthplace of my great aunts in Pinczed so I guess that's probably where they met and married.		2007/11/13, 03:43:40 #: 200711749 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: LEPORIS(Z) Your welcome. I would recommend to make a copy of a map of old and of present. Common language to communicate in was a must. Loads of spelling and transcribing errors so keep that in mind. I have seen where a Slovak was Slovenian and vice a versa. Pinczed, Bacs-Bodrog megye (make a copy of the map) http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 (left side of the map by 30 the town is as a Pinced) A detailed old map: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm A good locator: (present name) www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm www.travelingluck.com 36 people from Pinced. www.stevemorse.org		2007/11/13, 20:57:05 #: 200711780 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: LEPORIS(Z)/latin Can anyone read latin?? there are some reports of Bohemia for Leporis. It is an epitaph for Wilhelmus dictus Lepus cognomen Leporis di Valdek. Hic baro famosus iacet et multum generosus, Miles et invictus, Lepus est cognomine dictus; Cognomen leporis habuit virtute leporis, Corde leonino pugnavit, non leporino, Wilhelmus nomen proprium fuit eius et omen Felix in factis habuit semper retroactis. En mors prostravit, quem nemo prius superavit, Corruit a telo, quem iunge, Jesu bone, celo. Anno milleno nono decimoque triceno Per fatum triste moritur vir nobilis iste. Non erat equalis huic in regno, neque talis, Qui sic famosus existeret, aut animosus. Luceat eterna sibi lux in sede superna, Sit sibi solamen, homo dicat quilibet Amen.		2007/11/14, 06:19:36 #: 200711793 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: LEPORIS(Z)/latin leporis Sorry, do not know Latin. I recognize in the epitaph only the names. Try www.genealogy.ro/dictionary You might have already www.google.com for a Latin dictionary.		2007/11/14, 07:05:55 #: 200711795 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: LEPORIS(Z) is there any online database available for Pivnice? I haven't made it to FHL yet, but I don't know if my search could start in another direction.		2007/12/02, 20:45:24 #: 200712123 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	MPB: Re: LEPORIS(Z) Louis, some clarifications for you: Your ancestor's name was the hungarian LAJOS, which translates to Louis. Do not be confused by Bajos and Eajos which are transcription errors. Leporis(z) is a noble name. The spellings are interchangeable and the "z" on the end reflects the hungarian pronunciation. In hungarian "sz" is pronounced "s". The name originates from upper Hungary which is now Slovakia. Names do evolve over time and apparently the alternative name of Zajacz is also associated with the Leporis(z) family. To research your family's origins you will have to review the records held at the FHL yourself or engage a researcher to do it for you. If you cannot find relevant records for Pivnice/Pinczed you may find them in a neighbouring town. Knowing the religion of your ancestors is important as prior to 1895 (in Hungary) records were kept by the churches. Genealogy is time consuming, often frustrating, but ultimately rewarding when you find what you are looking for. Keep in mind that your ancestors lived in an ethnically mixed area which once belonged to Hungary but is now Serbia/Yugoslavia, so some documents may show their first names in another language variation. There can also be differences in the spelling of surnames so don't overlook records because the spelling of names is a little different. Good luck!		2007/12/02, 23:35:02 #: 200712132 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: LEPORIS(Z) Thank you for your encouragement. Obviously, even a noble name can be difficult to trace as we all can lose track of time and in essence that is what we are doing isn't it? Did you make the Zajic connection because of Wilhelmus or some other reason you could share. I do believe, but obviously cannot prove at this point that the Leporis is a branch of the Zajic family that for some reason used the latin form of our name. I have been sent a copy of an Edict from a distant relative in the Praha area that reveals that in 1741 Oct, 28 the Queen Maria Teresa declared the whole family noble as "we know Leporis old family for honesty and supporting the King's family". The odd thing is that eventuality, despite the hint towards the Zajic family and thusly the Buzic family, that while actually in Hungary the family religion of my particular branch is Lutheran. I say odd, because the family fought against Hussites with great fury and the only hint as to why they could have converted was when King George of Podebrady "graciously returned the castle Kost and Trosky to the brothers Jan and Oldrich Zajic." The conversion to the Lutheran faith and the use of the latin form of Zajic (hare/lepus) to Leporis (of lepus) seems contradictory. While such nobility has no consequence to a region of republics (which is good I think) it is a source of pride to know that my family served not just them selfs but the people around them that needed them the most as William of Valdek was celebrated as "a friend to the Czech tongue". It is also a source of pride that Charles IV (Wenceslaus) was presented to the gentleman Lepori for the first winter of his life and presumably extended his hospitality to John the blind and Queen Elizabeth at Burgalinum in 1316. It is my wish to close the gap so to speak between me and Wilhelmus in my life time as it is a great testament to humanity as was Charles IV himself. After all, the greatest legacy our ancestors could have given us is not a noble title or money but the legacy of our own humanity. Anything LESS is worthLESS. Louis Leporis		2007/12/03, 05:27:48 #: 200712141 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	MPB: Re: LEPORIS(Z) Louis. My interest in the name stems from the fact that a letter patent of nobility was granted jointly to the Leporis(z) and Vietoris(z) families. I am a Vietoris(z) descendant. According to Siebmacher's Wappenbuch "Der Adel von Ungarn" it was granted to both families by king Leopold 1 on 27 August 1710 for loyal services during the Tököly uprising and was published in Trencsén county in 1711. Nagy Iván "Magyarország családai" only mentions Vietoris(z) János receiving nobility at this time. Kempelen Béla "Magyar nemes családok" states the patent of nobility was jointly granted 28 October 1741 to Vietoris(z) András and the Leporis(z) family. The wife of Vietorisz András was Leporis(z) Rachel. I have read a description in hungarian of the evolution of the Zajacz/Leporis names in "Turul 1883" and the Czech connection. My ancestors from upper Hungary (now Slovakia) were also Lutheran, with numerous pastors and academics. I do not know the reason for them being Lutheran. The nobles who aligned themselves with the Hapsburgs tended to be Roman Catholic. If you would like to discuss this topic in more detail my address is mpiroskab -at-hotmail-dot-com		2007/12/05, 08:08:47 #: 200712239 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: LEPORIS(Z) "I have read a description in hungarian of the evolution of the Zajacz/Leporis names in "Turul 1883" and the Czech connection. " I'd be very interested to learn more of this obviously. It seems we have some common ancestry with regards to Rachel perhaps. Louis		2007/12/05, 19:46:44 #: 200712266 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Pinczed hi, is there any other way to get birth records from this township? It is apparently small. Family church would be Lutheran. Should I look for help from civil records or church records? I realize this province is now in modern Serbia. Will local government be able to help? Do they have archive? FHL microfilm still on way. Thanks in advance..		2007/12/25, 10:01:19 #: 2007121217 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Vikke: Leporisz Hey you all! My name is Viktor Leporisz and I'm from Hungary. (so in that way, my english isn't perfect...) If I know well, there is only 3 or 4 Leporisz in Hungary. (I got my family name, after my great-grand father, Ignác Leporisz, because he was red haired like me...so, my fathers and grandfathers name isn't Leporisz) And the only thing what I know about my name is its meaning. Leporis is the latin possesive form of the constellation, Lepus. (Rabbit) So, the brighest star in the Lepus constellation is the Alpha Leporis. The second is the Beta Leporisz...etc. I didn't met or talk any Leporisz (or Leporis) in my life, so it's truly intersting for me!:)		2008/01/28, 19:11:43 #: 2008012030 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: Leporisz could you explain a little how you took your great grandfather's family name and not your father's? Was Leporis on your mother's side perhaps?		2008/01/29, 01:05:36 #: 2008012054 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Vikke: Leporisz Yes of course. My mother was only seventeen, when I was born, and my father didn't want to belive me and didn't conducive to use his name, he just moved to Amsterdam for a while. Firstable my mather want to choose her name to me (Török), but she couldn't, because as I said, she was underaged and it's forbidden to use your underaged mother's name in Hungary. (I was born in 1985, in the socialist era, maybe it's just an old law, I hope so...) My mothers great-grandfather was red haired too and she choosed his name to me. His name was Ignác Leporisz, and died in the 60's... And what about you? Where do you live?		2008/01/29, 02:16:42 #: 2008012057 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: Leporisz Viktor, write to me here, leporis1@yahoo dot com I am in Dallas Texas. Louis		2008/01/29, 02:41:44 #: 2008012059 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: Leporisz This is probably a good time to update everyone at once where I'm at in my research of my genealogy. I have been in contact with some very nice people both on this forum and abroad. I have (thanks to a distant cousin) been in contact with a member of the church of my great grandfather Ludovit. This individual is compiling a data base of written records of birth and death to computer and was kind enough to share my lineage as far back as it goes in Pivnice, 1771. I have found the first Leporis that arrived there as a teacher (Gasper), in another hand written family tree to the best of my ability. It is hard to read and is very old after all. The hand written tree is from Leporis family in Slovakia. It seems that Viktor is in the same sort of situation as many Leporis find themselves in as do I. Isolated from the rest of the family and haven't seen them. Although when I was very young I was surrounded by them they have all passed on to God. It troubles me though that we have all been like islands in this generation. I don't think that this is so unique as many families that are spread out as much as ours lose touch. I am very pleased to find you all never the less. Incidentally the hand written tree goes back to about the mid 1600's. I cannot read many of the names as they are old fashion and as I said the document is very old. However, there is more to learn. I will have to come to Slovakia to view the rest and meet the rest of my family. Louis		2008/01/29, 03:18:26 #: 2008012060 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	milos: Re: Leporisz Hello Viktor, hello Louis, I am really currious, if this is coincidence or destiny :-) What I am talking about? See picture at http://www.pohrebiskasr.sk/zosnuly_detaily.php?id=61206 It is grave stone from cemetry in Nitrianske Pravno (NemetProna), Slovakia. Name is not visible at the picture of the grave stone, but I have been there last Saturday and guess what name was written there? Ignacz (1858-1905)! I know, it means nothing, there is a lot of people with the same name out there and they are not relatives. If you are interesting, see http://fotoalbumy.azet.sk/milos1av/hroby-graves/?i9=6f3559c7f688 I will send password at request :-) Keep on exploring the family history! Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik. Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!		2008/01/29, 10:08:41 #: 2008012070 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: Leporisz "I know, it means nothing, there is a lot of people with the same name out there and they are not relatives. " Milos, I think I understand your modesty in this statement. However, I think you should think about the actual dispersement of the family name. It is after all a very unique name indeed. It is not however, a rare family name in history, not as major players but as pawns in political history of the region that spans from perhaps Sicily to the wall of tears over many centuries of time. Minci- forgive me but to illustrate my point I am compelled to share for Viktor's benefit as well as Milos' to invoke the pride of the Leporis family fortitude. I don't intend to be overly dramatic or to be contrary. However, the more I learn about my families history the more passionately I love them and am grateful for them. I have learned a great deal of the sacrifices they have made and without them we would not be here today, regardless of our first hand knowledge of each other, we share the benefits of their efforts to insure the survival of the family. There are no less than nineteen individual Leporis found on the hand written family tree that go back to one Leporis in present day Slovakia that can attribute to our survival. May God bless them.... Zayech Zajecz (hazai tótjainknál: zajácz) a szláv nyelvben annyit jelent, mint nyul és ez magyarázza meg Zayech Vilmos családi hovatartozandóságát. Nyul németben hase s így magyarázható, hogy a Zajecz nevü családbeliek a mindenkori viszonyokhoz képest vagy a latin lepus-t, vagy a német hase-t használtak, de használtak a "Hasenburgi" előnevet is. Zsigmond király megigéri 1414 jan. 16-án, hogy Has Vilmosnak a tőle kapott 1000 aranyt okt. 16-ikáig megfizeti. 1419 jan. 16-án Hasenburgi Vilmos egyike azon követeknek, kiknek febr.9-én a szkaliczi gyülésen a hussziták ügyében kellett megjelenniök. A király 1420 jun. 29-én Hasenburgi Vilmosnak 3000 schock garas fejében Komotau és Blatna nevü cseh helségeket adja. 1423-ban ezen Vilmos, mint "Wilhelm Hasz von Waldecke herre zu der Sclewitz" szerepel. 1428 szept. 8-án hasenburgi Has Vilmos Csehország főkonyhamestere. Azon követek között, kik 1448 aug. havában Frigyes császártól menedéklevelet kapnak, vannak Nicolaus at Sbynko Lepori (=Lepus) de Hasenburg is. 1458 máj. 6-án Zbinco Leporis de Hazunburg a cseh országbiró. Zayech Zajecz (in Slovak: zajácz) means hare in the Slav language and this explains Zayech William's family origins. In German hare is hase which can also explain that the Zajecz named family members, in the prevailing custom of the time, used the latin lepus or the german hase as well as the prename "Hasenburg". King Sigismund promises on 16 January 1414 to repay by October 16 Has William the 1000 gold pieces he received from him. On 16 January 1419 Hasenburg William is one of the emissaries attending the Szkalicz assembly on behalf of the Hussites. On 29 June 1420 the king gives Hasenburg William the Czech settlements of Komotau and Blatna for 3000 groats. In 1423 this William appears as 'Wilhelm Has von Waldecke master of Sclewitz'. On 8 September 1428 hasenburg Has William is the head chef? of the Czech land. (This is a literal translation which I don't think is correct, It is more likely to mean that he had a leading role at the royal court or something similar.) Amongst the emissaries who in August 1448 received letters of safe conduct from Emperor Frederick, are Nicolaus and Zbynko Lepori (Lepus) de Hasenburg. On 6 May 1458 Zbinco Leporis de Hasenburg was the Czech Lord Chief Justice. Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik. Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!		2008/02/04, 08:23:13 #: 200802198 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Ignacz for Viktor Source Magyarország iparosainak és kereskedőinek czím- és lakjegyzéke / szerk. Jekelfalussy József. - Budapest : Pesti Könyvnyomda Részvény-Társaság, [1892]. [Industry and trade directory of Hungary / ed. by József Jekelfalussy. - Budapest : Pesti Könyvnyomda Részvény-Társaság, [1892]]. - p. 1686 Year 1891 Field Text in original Translation, current name Name Leporisz Ignácz Ignatius Leporisz Occupation Szűcsök Furriers Settlement Német-Próna (Nyitra County) Nitrianske Pravno (Slovakia) Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik. Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!		2008/02/10, 16:13:34 #: 200802581 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	milos: Re: Ignacz for Viktor Louis, thank you for the published info. Information contained in register is interesting not only for Viktor, but for me also. Leporisz Janos is my great grandfather or his father (great great grandfather?) According to my knowledge, my great grandfather was 18 years old in 1891. It means, it could be him, but also his father. I see this as another topic for further research. Thank you again.		2008/02/11, 08:54:56 #: 200802620 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: Ignacz for Viktor Milos, Your welcome! I saw Janos too after verifying the record for Ignacz. Perhaps they were brothers??		2008/02/11, 18:06:07 #: 200802656 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Hungarian Trade index Leporisz János in Pivinicza downloaded: 2007/10/21 Copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download it again. Leporisz Endre in Német-Próna downloaded: 2007/10/21 No copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download. Lepórisz Lajos in Petrovácz downloaded: 2007/10/21 Copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download it again. Lepórisz György in Privigye downloaded: 2007/10/21 No copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download. Leporisz János in Pivnicza downloaded: 2007/10/21 Copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download it again. Leporisz Ignácz in Német-Próna downloaded: 2007/10/21 Copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download it again. Leporisz János in Német-Próna downloaded: 2007/10/21 No copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download. Leporisz András in Privigye downloaded: 2007/10/21 No copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download. Leporisz Ignácz in Privigye downloaded: 2007/10/21 No copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download. Leporisz István in Privigye downloaded: 2007/10/21 No copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download. Leporisz János in Privigye downloaded: 2007/10/21 No copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download. Leporis József in Selmecz- és Bélabánya downloaded: 2007/10/20 Copy of this page has been downloaded. Click to download it again.		2008/02/13, 07:26:12 #: 200802753 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: St. Peter's Basilica I have recently uncovered another historical reference to the Leporis family. In Prof. Christopher A. Reynolds book entitled Papal Patronage and Music at St. Peter's. Prof. Reynolds cites Thomas Leporis as a musician recruiting in Paris for St. Peter's. Reynolds cites Prof. Pamela Starr, as her PhD dissertation covers Thomas extensively and she has indicated that she will send me all she has researched on him. He was active up to 1470. This is truly another remarkable find of the Leporis in history and further testament to the family's over all legacy in humanities studies. Would those of you agree that it was common to find family surnames evolving as they moved to place to place? Is there a student of history among us that might help connect these dots in time?		2008/02/19, 06:30:50 #: 2008021153 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Hungarian translation? Victor, can you help us out with a translation of the following text? Leporis csalad jelenle Gomor varmegye nemessege soraban all; es egy (tan ugyan ezen) Leporis csalad maskep Zajacz nevet is visel.		2008/07/26, 16:11:35 #: 2008071172 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Vikke: translate Hello! It’s very hard to translate it! It’s like some kind of ancient hungarian or google translate!:-) Well, I’m gonna try. "In the family of Leporis is standing in the line of the Nobility of County Gomor. And an other (maybe the same) Leporis family wear the name 'Zajacz' as well." Something like that. I hope you understand it! Yours sincerely: Viktor Leporisz from Budapest		2008/07/26, 20:25:43 #: 2008071189 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Vikke: One more thing. I found out some thing. My great-grandfather, Ignacz Leporis was born in Németpróna. It was the part of Hungary before the treaty of Trianon, but now it’s in Slovakia. All of my Leporisz side family came from there. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NĂ©metprĂłna) That grave was my great-grandfather’s father, who called his son after himself. So, it’s very interesting. I think, I will go to there in autumn. (sorry for my mistakes)		2008/07/26, 20:32:52 #: 2008071192 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: One more thing. Victor! thank you!! And what a wonderful discovery that Ignacz was your great-great grandpa! I always knew that if I was able to hunt down a couple Leporis we'd be able to put these pieces back together. Milos, I wonder how far along you are in your searches and how Ignacz fits in to that? Louis		2008/07/26, 22:15:37 #: 2008071199 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Vikke: indeed Yes, indeed. Unfortunately I don't know anybody else in the Leporis(z) family personally, here in Hungary. So it's a great pleasure, to meet you, because probably we're distant cousins!:-)		2008/07/27, 00:00:47 #: 2008071205 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	MPB: Leporis in Eperjes/Presov records Whilst searching the birth,marriage and death records of the Slovak lutheran congregation of Eperjes/Presov I found that Samuel Leporis, lawyer, was a witness at 2 marriages in the 1790s. There are certain to be other Leporis records as well. I noticed these whilst searching for Vietoris(z) records in a specific time frame. As well as a Vietoris(z)/Leporis(z) marriage, these families were granted joint nobility.		2008/07/27, 00:34:39 #: 2008071206 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: Leporis in Eperjes/Presov records Viktor, we probably are distant cousins ;-) Minci, I hope indirectly you are able to help us fill a couple hundred years behind the 1790's. Thanks for the Tip! Has it crossed anyone's mind to do a DNA genealogy tree? Louis		2008/07/27, 01:42:47 #: 2008071208 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Vikke: OK Ok-ok. WE probably ARE!:P Incorrect word-order...:/		2008/07/27, 07:39:27 #: 2008071217 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: OK Viktor, I wasn't teasing you man! :) I was just agreeing with you. My spelling and grammar in English isn't perfect either by the way. I feel some empathy for you though. I haven't had any contact with any Leporis since my dad and grandpa died. That is a big part of my motivation to find some more of us. Even if I have to search in mother country to find you all. Eventually, we will meet I hope. Hopefully I'll get to meet as many as possible. Your word order works as well as mine too. English is confusing sometimes. How many languages do you speak? Any Slovak?		2008/07/27, 08:17:02 #: 2008071218 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	milos: Viktor and Nemet Prona Do you know the the feeling a thousands of ants is walking from your hairs down your back and you feel strangely excited? That is what I have felt a couple of minutes ago as reading Viktor's post about the grave stone of his grand-grandfather. In such a moments a man can see details and remembers things he almost forgot. Once upon a time I found some my grandfather official papers (Végzés). I found out that some of them are related to my grandfather's grandfather. I must say all the Végzés documents are in hungarian. Bad luck for me :-( Now I have feeling I saw city name 'Budapest' with relation to our name in one of them. I am going to review the documents again. Viktor, I will make it available to you, when I will find it. If you are interesting to meet me, let me know we can arrange meeting in Nitrianske Pravno (Nemet Prona).		2008/07/28, 09:27:38 #: 2008071282 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: Viktor and Nemet Prona Milos, there is probably more family history in Nitrianske Pravno than anywhere else that I've found so far. I've read a little this past weekend on Presov since Minci's tip. Seems the family migrated there around 1710 when they where giving away privledges and land to repopulate. Just speculation at this point though. Probably my line since they were Lutheran. It gets confusing to find them all over Slovakia and Hungary. There is a record (on this site) of Bruno Leporis in Budapest in Lutheran grammer school (1945). Minci, I wonder if this is the same Bruno Leporis that was on Australian Television after he migrated there when Australia was giving away land to foriegners? (1960's ?) Louis		2008/07/28, 15:25:52 #: 2008071312 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Bruno in Budapest Surname(s), given name(s): Leporis, Brunó School name in English: Lutheran Grammar School Year: 1943-1944 Class: 1b Fulltext contains: Name, religion, grades Found in: A Budapesti Evangélikus Gimnázium évkönyve az intézet fennállásának 121. évéről : 1943/44. / közzéteszi Bélay István. - Budapest : [s. n.], 1944. - 58, [1] p. ; 25 cm Page no.: p. 25 Due to copyright restrictions we cannot provide copy of this page, unfortunately.		2008/07/28, 15:54:44 #: 2008071313 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: Leporis in Eperjes/Presov records MPB- Are you searching FHL records or are you onsite? Running account with state archives seems to be another option for Presov. What is most effecient? Louis		2008/08/03, 17:04:52 #: 20080878 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	MPB: Re: Leporis in Eperjes/Presov records Louis, I have only been searching FHL records. I have no experience dealing with county or city archives but think that a general search for the name could prove quite costly as it would be very time consuming. Another option is to hire a local researcher to do the work for you, but again the fees are time based. I just happened to find Leporis entries whilst looking for my g-g-grandmother's birth and marriage records. With regards to the actor Bruno Leporis. His name is unknown to me but I did a Google search and found 2 references to him in the 1960s. He was a member of a folk dance group at that time and also appeared in an episode of a TV series. If he is still living then he would be quite elderly now.		2008/08/04, 00:04:33 #: 20080893 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: Leporis in Eperjes/Presov records MPB- I am not sure if Bruno is still alive. However, I believe his son David has passed on already. His two sons live in northern Queensland now I believe. I'll look for the FHL reference for Presov. Thanks, Louis		2008/08/04, 01:05:10 #: 20080894 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: Leporis in Eperjes/Presov records MPB- I found "Advokát Samuel Leporis (Leporisz), 1766 - 1815, 0,25 bm, I." (Presov) at this web address.... http://www.civil.gov.sk/ARCH/nove/Ipres_i.htm Louis		2008/08/05, 16:45:09 #: 200808184 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	MPB: Re: Leporis in Eperjes/Presov records Louis, that's a very interesting link. How did you find it? Advokát Samuel Leporis is the one I found in the records. All the other names on the list also appeared in the records. That site could possibly yield more information if one understood Slovak.		2008/08/06, 01:00:58 #: 200808196 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis: Re: Leporis in Eperjes/Presov records MPB- The link in my favorites is on my house computer. (I'm on my work laptop now shh :) However, I'm pretty sure I was redirected from somewhere here... http://www.genealogy-heraldry.sk/eng/eng1.html Agreed, very interesting and worth while. However, I'm thinking I'll still look in to the FHL records for the church. Seems like that's where I'll find any more reference to them. Incidently, the folks on that page may be able to help us both formulate a tree quicker than any other method or research of our own. Who knows? I just keep digging. After all that's how I found everything else. L		2008/08/06, 01:23:05 #: 200808197 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	milos: Re: Viktor and Nemet Prona As I mentioned earlier, one of our family documents contains reference to Budapest. Rozina Wagner (born Leporisz) lived in Budapest according to document dated on September 21, 1898. Is it correct? You can find document enclosed. Viktor, could you, please, write me what is the content of enclosed document, if you can understand it? :-) Thank you. Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik. Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!		2008/08/25, 09:51:22 #: 2008081025 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: Viktor and Nemet Prona WOW! Thanks for sharing Milos. Can't wait to hear the translation. Louis		2008/08/25, 18:48:37 #: 2008081052 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: Viktor and Nemet Prona Milos, One question. Is that a postal stamp at the bottom of the letter? Louis		2008/08/25, 18:50:34 #: 2008081053 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Vikke: document Well it's very hard to tranlate it. 1. it's old 2. it's ugly 3. it's official But, I gonna try it. Sorry for my mistakes again. Firstable, the mark in the bottom. It’s not a stamp, it’s a kind of seal or spot (I found these two words in the dictionary) Királyi Járásbíróság - ...vigyén I don’t know the second word, because it's incomplete. But ’királyi járásbíróság’ is ’Royal Method Court’ or something like that. (Royal Court --> this is the main think in my opinion) About the letter. As a I said, it’s long and hard. Please give me a day. Vikke		2008/08/25, 22:05:44 #: 2008081066 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Vikke: Pff... Ah, it's sooo hard to read it. I must to wait my mother, she will be better, I'm pretty sure. Anyway it seems it is a last will testament or what is it in english...		2008/08/25, 22:22:04 #: 2008081067 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	milos: Re: document The second incomplete word is Privigyén from Privigye (Prievidza, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Privigye) - the seat of district court. Historical context Until Treaty of Trianon from 1920 ( de facto until the end of World War I in 1918 ), Slovakia was part of Hungarian Kingdom. I like the wikipedia :-) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Treaty_of_Trianon http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Hungary_in_the_18th_and_19th_century You wrote "ugly"? vrrrr :-/ ( just kidding ;-) ) As for the hungarian in the document - it was written more than 100 years ago. The languages are evolving by its own way. And we should not forget, the document was written in area not originally hungarian. So this could introduce another modification to official language different from language used in Budapest, for example. So, Vikke, do not worry :-)		2008/08/26, 09:11:12 #: 2008081073 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Vikke: letter I can understand it if I can read it. The language is almost the same. The biggest problem is the official stlye... But I have to go to work now.		2008/08/26, 11:38:05 #: 2008081075 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: FHL Digital Indexing Project to begin - Presov region is first! (posted from slovak genealogy list) The FHL (Family History Library) informs that they have been busy digitizing microfilms (converting microfilms into files that are computer-readable) from the PRESOV region. In a few short weeks, they will be make those files available for general researchers (like you and me) to participate in the indexing of these records. Indexing involves reading the image (from the convenience of your home or office computer) via the internet, and transcribing the data - events, names, dates into a typewritten form. Once that data is entered, the FHL will use it to create search-able indexes for surnames, village names and other critical elements. This is very exciting since it brings us much closer to the goal of having the microfilm images available to us via the internet. This "next generation" project is happening much faster than I imagined and I am delighted to see it's progress. If you want to get a feel for what the indexing project is like, or to sign up now, go here http://www.familyse archindexing. org You will see the many projects already underway, you can also register now and download the necessary software.		2008/09/07, 16:12:15 #: 200809257 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: FHL Digital Indexing Project to begin - Presov region is first! Happy New Year Everyone! I hope everyone had a great Christmas. I must admit it was a little bit of a let down when it was over. Back to work now...		2009/01/05, 08:05:36 #: 200901500 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Update on research Thought I'd post what I've been doing lately. I have found evidence that my line from Pivnice arrived from Revuca. I've found reference to a Pastor Leporis in Revuca in Evangelical church. Also found Ludovit there in the "Revuca Gymnasium" who seems to live in or is from Pest. Gaspar (listed below) is the first arriving ancestor to Pivnice according to church historian there. Apparently, he fancied himself a poet. While I wait for the back ordered FHL films I've been searching elsewhere and found this... antologija pesame pet tadasnjih pesnika Gaspar Leporis iz oko 1804 godine, pod nazivom Zabaune pesme za Privrednu omladinu, u kojoj ima istinski pesnik. Jugoslovensko-slovacke slavisticke veze By Jan Kmec Serbian- ---------------------------------------- sbornik, v Ktorom su zvacsa didaticke basnicke prispevky, zamerane na potreby dolnozemskych slovakov, od autorov, osadlenych medzi slovakmi v backe. (Ondrej Liptaf, Juraj Chromy, Gaspar Leporis, najpocetnejsie v sborniku, rozumie sa, zastupeny je sam Rohonyi). Slovenská vlastiveda By Slovenská akadémia vied a umení ---------------------------------------- L'udovit Leporis Samuel Leporis Petrovec 1745-1995 By Samuel Boldocký ---------------------------------------- mozne - nacrtnut obraz, bliziaci sa k uplnosti, obideme autorov, ktorych tvorba by len doreslovala spektrum donozemskeh slovenskej poezie starsich obdobi (okrem uz vyssie spominanych v strucnom prehl'ade to boli napriklad aj Gaspar Leporis. Literárna tvorba Slovákov z Dolnej zeme By Peter Andruška ---------------------------------------- Samuel Leporis, Schlossergesell in Pesth, Coaks Sparherde. Jahrbuch der geologischen Bundesanstalt By Geologische Bundesanstalt (Austria), Germany. Reichsstelle für ---------------------------------------- L'udevit Leporis - Pest Revúcke gymnázium [1862-1874]. By Ján Gallo ---------------------------------------- Leporis, Jan. Kostolny spevnicek. Sbierka cirkevnych piesni, ktore su zavedene stavil: Jan Leporis... Vrutky, nakladom vlastnym, Bibliografický katalog Ceskoslovenské republiky By Národní a universitní knihovna v Praze, Prague (Czech -----------------------------------------		2009/05/22, 05:21:29 #: 200905826 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	leporis1: Re: Update on research In this book.. Monumenta Evangelicorum Aug. Conf. in Hungaria historica By András Fabó, Martin ...Andreas Vietoris is also listed with Andreas Leporis (Pastors Errant) in one of these communities, Mokra Luka, Revuca or Zdichava. I'm not good with latin but it is a great find. Search here.. http://books.google.com They have the entire book. LLeporis		2009/05/25, 22:09:09 #: 200905935 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	lleporis: Re: Update on research This record in Kunova Teplica reflects the alliance made with the Vietoris family there. Andrej Vietoris - ev. a v. farár v K. Teplici (1743-1756), manželka Ráchael rod. Leporinová. Synovia David a Ján. David Vietoris (n. 1734 Kunova Teplica - z 11.3.1799 Prešov) - významný stoličný lekár. Počiatky vzdelania nadobudol u otca, stredné školy navštevoval v Dobšinej, Štítniku (1755), Šoproni. Medi- cínu študoval v r. 1760-1763 na univerzite v Jene. V r. 1763 Med. Doctor. Prak- tický lekár v Gemeri, Liptove a v Prešove. Zaoberal sa výskumom minerálnych vôd a termálnych prameňov (spracoval rozbor prameňa v Lúčkach), neskôr sto- ličný lekár v Šariši. Autor diela: „Dissertatio inauguralis medica de officio me- dici in foro politico versatis in genere“. Jena 1763 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:6FEQqFQe4aEJ:www.kunovateplica.ocu.sk/sk/File/material.pdf zväzok:pokrstenĂ˝ch 1787-1867&cd=2&hl=sk&ct=clnk&gl=sk		2010/10/06, 09:43:12 #: 201010173 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

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