| | | | dpeterson: I need to add information | My grandparents dates of birth are
John Balog - Nov.5th 1899
Irene Varga or Vargova - July 16th 1901
The town or village listed on their passport was Hokovce, Czecholslovakia |
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| | | | dpeterson: Re: I need to add information | One other thing that has just came to mind.
We always thought that my Grandfather worked at a Resort at Lake Balaton, but could there be another resort that would be north of Budapest, and in Slovakia now.
Grandpa mentioned towns or villages called Egeg and Slatina and I have found them in Slovakia --they were still in Hungary when he was there.
Any information would be greatly appreciated. My son and I will be in Hungary mid. August.
Thank you, Sincerely Diane Peterson-ddrgds -a-t- telus -d-o-t- net |
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| | | | Radix: Re: I need to add information | Hello Diane,
If you don't mind, I've took your messages out of the Radics surname forum to this Hokovce place forum.
More to follow in a few minutes.
Janos Bogardi |
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| | | | Radix: Egeg = Hokovce | Dear Diane,
The Hungarian name for this place is Egeg, and the Slovak (Czechoslovak) is Hokovce. At the end of WW1 Austria-Hungary was dissolved, some of its parts became Austria, some Hungary, some parts formed a new country (Czechoslovakia), while other parts went to other countries (like Romania) etc. So, what was Egeg in eg. 1900, the same was known as Hokovce in the 1920s.
I'm not sure how Slatina comes into the picture. There were a couple of places that had Slatina (or Szlatina) in their names, but none of them are close to Egeg - Hokovce:
http://www.radixindex.com/cgi-bin/hn1913.cgi?place=egeg
http://www.radixindex.com/cgi-bin/hn1913.cgi?place=latina
It's possible that your grandpa worked in Budapest on weekdays, and on weekends, to make some extra, he worked at lake Balaton.
On this MapQuest map you can observe the distance between Budapest and Egeg - it makes sense that Budapest was in 2 days walking distance from Egeg:
click for the map. There is a red star in the NW section of the map pointing to Egeg.
As for the surnames (Balog or Balogh and Varga) they are both very frequent in Hungary: Varga is at #7, Balogh is at #12 of the most frequent surnames chart: http://www.bogardi.com/gen/g021.htm
Church records, the primary sources of genealogy research in Austria-Hungary, were taken from local churches to regional archives in Czechoslovakia (now Slovakia). You might be able to do research in the B/M/D records in a regional archives close to Hokovce. Which one? I'm not sure.
Hope this helps.
Janos Bogardi
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| | | | drnagy: Re: I need to add information | Dear Diane,
The village Hokovce (former Egeg) and Slatina (former Szalatnya) are neighbour villages. They are close to the thermal spa Dudince.
Peter Nagy |
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| | | | Greg Chubak: Re: I need to add information | Diane,
Do you have any more detail as to arrival dates? The National Archives (of Canada) only have the following close matches and none of them appear to be your grandfather.
1 Balog Janos 28 Hu 1925
2 Balogh Janos 22 Hu 1926
3 Balogh Janos 35 Hu 1926
4 Balogh Janos 31 Hu 1926
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| | | | Peter Andras: Re: I need to add information | Dear Diane Peterson,
I have found your message only today. Your interest about this village is for me very exciting because I am the native of your forefathers from Hokovce. I was born in this village in 1953. Did you realize your intended visit in this village?
Hokovce is one of the oldest villages of the country. The first mention about the settlement is from the X. century. Orriginaly it was settled by Slavic (Slovak)population.
About 1230 was there built the interesting old church. It was constructed in Gotic style and it is one of the first Gotic buildings in Central Europe. No Gotic buildings are known from this time from Germany, Bohemia, Austria, Ítaly or Spain. The reason is very simple. A group of monks imported the new style from France.
The first Slavic population was killed off and resolved by Tatar raiders in 1241. After departure of the Tatar occupants was the village again colonised. We have no exact data about the nationality of the new population but we know that Hokovce was declared as a town.
The promissing development of the little town was interrupted after bloody nose of the imperial army at Plastovce - Palast by Turks in August 1550. Plastovce or Palast is the next settlement if you come over Slatina - Szalatnya (from Hokovce) in the Eastern direction.
The Imperial Army had its camp during 16 last days before the battle in Hokovce. The commander Erasmus Teufel convened in Hokovce more then 10 000 soldiers.
After the disastous defeat of the imperial army the population of the Hokovce village skiped off and the Turks occupated more or less empty village. During the Turkish times (up to the end of the 17. century) had the village only a few inhabitants. The new history of the village started only after the ejection of the Turkish army from the Hungarian Kingdom.
At the beginning of the 20. century was Hokovce a important village so it is simple to understand why decided your forefathers to settle in this place. Unitil 1950 increased the number of the inhabitants up to 900. You could find in the village an important parish office for 5 surrounding villages, 2 schools (Hungarian and Slovak), 2 shops with food-stuffs, 2 pubs, wood-office, a doctor, chemist (my grandfather), post-office, shops with garments, shoes, a repair shops, bakehouse, butcher, barber, forge, well developed viniculture etc. Most of the population was in that times Hungarian (today it is mixed with Slovak population in rate 50 : 50).
Now is Hokovce a slowly dying village with only about 550 inhabitants.
Did you found somebody who could inform you about your forefathers?
With best regards,
Yours Sincerely,
Peter Andras |
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| | | | Peter Andras: Re: I need to add information | Dear Diane Peterson,
I have found your message only today. Your interest about this village is for me very exciting because I am the native of your forefathers from Hokovce. I was born in this village in 1953. Did you realize your intended visit in this village?
Hokovce is one of the oldest villages of the country. The first mention about the settlement is from the X. century. Orriginaly it was settled by Slavic (Slovak)population.
About 1230 was there built the interesting old church. It was constructed in Gotic style and it is one of the first Gotic buildings in Central Europe. No Gotic buildings are known from this time from Germany, Bohemia, Austria, Ítaly or Spain. The reason is very simple. A group of monks imported the new style from France.
The first Slavic population was killed off and resolved by Tatar raiders in 1241. After departure of the Tatar occupants was the village again colonised. We have no exact data about the nationality of the new population but we know that Hokovce was declared as a town.
The promissing development of the little town was interrupted after bloody nose of the imperial army at Plastovce - Palast by Turks in August 1550. Plastovce or Palast is the next settlement if you come over Slatina - Szalatnya (from Hokovce) in the Eastern direction.
The Imperial Army had its camp during 16 last days before the battle in Hokovce. The commander Erasmus Teufel convened in Hokovce more then 10 000 soldiers.
After the disastous defeat of the imperial army the population of the Hokovce village skiped off and the Turks occupated more or less empty village. During the Turkish times (up to the end of the 17. century) had the village only a few inhabitants. The new history of the village started only after the ejection of the Turkish army from the Hungarian Kingdom.
At the beginning of the 20. century was Hokovce a important village so it is simple to understand why decided your forefathers to settle in this place. Unitil 1950 increased the number of the inhabitants up to 900. You could find in the village an important parish office for 5 surrounding villages, 2 schools (Hungarian and Slovak), 2 shops with food-stuffs, 2 pubs, wood-office, a doctor, chemist (my grandfather), post-office, shops with garments, shoes, a repair shops, bakehouse, butcher, barber, forge, well developed viniculture etc. Most of the population was in that times Hungarian (today it is mixed with Slovak population in rate 50 : 50).
Now is Hokovce a slowly dying village with only about 550 inhabitants.
Did you found somebody who could inform you about your forefathers?
With best regards,
Yours Sincerely,
Peter Andras |
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| | | | almut.brunckhorst -a-t- web -d-o-t- de: Re: I need to add information | Dear Peter,
Please excuse me addressing you by first name, but I believe that we met once in a former life, when there was still an iron curtain between your country, former Chekoslovakia, and my country, Federal Republic of Germany.
I think, we met on the ferry from Dover to Oostende/Calais and had a very interesting conversation, not only about our lives in East/West, only 1500km now, but also squirrels and other animals of Hungarian minority in Slovakia. I gave you my address, but you painted a picture on the back of my address paper, and, by mistake, gave it back to me.
If I sound crazy to you by now, you are not the person I meant. Please delete my email (or let me know if you know another Slovak Peter Andras of Hundgarian minority born mid 1950ies in Slovakia). If you remember the German girl on the ferry, please recall that you promised me (22 years ago) to send me the picture you took (you with the Russian shapotchka in July 1984 and me in the green skirt).
If it is really you, it would be so amazing - to find you on the internet, 22 years after the end of the cold war. If this is another "Peter Andras", please excuse the inconveniences, but let me know that you are the wrong person.
Best regards,
Almut from Hamburg |
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| | | | ddrgds -a-t- telus -d-o-t- net: reply to P.Andras | Dear Peter...
I just now looked back to this forum, and realized I had messages. Yes, my son and I did visit in August, 2003. I was very happy to visit the village of Hokovce, but we did not come across anyone who spoke English. We were able to walk around the village, the cemetery and we walked to Ducince, where my Grandfather worked on week-ends. It was a dream come true for me to experience that little bit of the past. Unfortuneately I do not know any other information...I do know that my grandparents left family in Hokovce, so I could very well have relatives still in the area. Thank you so much for giving me a little bit of the history of the area...I will keep watching the site to see if any other replies come. Thank you again.
Diane Peterson, Red Deer, Alberta, Canada |
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| | | | Zlatica : Re: Balog, Varga in Hokovce | Diane
Maybe you can start up a correspondence with BALOG and VARGA that list in Hokovce's phone book.
www.zoznamst.sk |
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