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	jtorres I am looking for information on the Surname Kazary. I have come to find out that it is not a common name by any means in Hungary. This is the spelling used in the United States by my family. I am not sure if they used alternative spellings with accent markings in Hungary If anyone has ever come accross this surname or any other alternate spelling please let me know. Thanks, Jason		17/04/2005, 22:05:08 #: 200504676 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica: Kazary Jason Yes, there is an accent marking and I do not have an appropriate keyboard to show it to you. You need to locate a name of a town in order to proceed with the research. There were KAZARIs and KAZARYs that came thru Ellis Island to America. www.ellisislandrecords.org www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator (surname navigator)		17/04/2005, 22:11:10 #: 200504677 post replyedit abuse? profile

	jtorres: Re: Kazary I have been able to locate in the 1920 United State Federal Census the name of the place where my family comes from the only problem I am having is I can't read the name. It's a combination of poor handwriting and poor scanning that I cannot read the name of the village and probably lack of familiarity with the Hungarian language. The Ellis Island directory I am still trying to identify if the people with the KAZARY or the KAZARI or both are my relatives. I have more evidence to support that KAZARI is my great-grandmother because of factual information. I have a jpg of the file as well as a SID of the Census document if anyone is willing to take a look at it. SID files can only be viewed with a LizardTech plugin. It is freely downloadable at www.lizardtech.com. Jason		17/04/2005, 22:25:33 #: 200504681 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Kazary Jason Can you write out the name of a town as the way it looks to you? Did you look in 1930 census? I was under the impression that there is no name of a town in a census only a country. Might be wrong. There is a town named Kazar in Nograd megye, Hungary. http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 If your ancestor had social security numbers or was naturalized citizen than those forms would have a place of birth. http://ssdi.rootsweb.com		17/04/2005, 23:13:47 #: 200504684 post replyedit abuse? profile

	jtorres: Re: Kazary I found the village name in the 1920 Census. I just saw the button to upload a file. Take a look. I can't even tell if the first letter is a V or a U, second letter an N or M and it looks like at the end their is a Y. Unfortunately for Social Security they never had one that I can find anywhere. This image is attached to the message. To see the image in original size, please click on it.		17/04/2005, 23:29:11 #: 200504688 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Kazary Jason It can be Ungvar a megye or a city of Ungvar which is now Uzghorod, Ukraine. http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910		17/04/2005, 23:41:59 #: 200504692 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Kazary Jason What language did your ancestor speak? Deciphering the census: Abaj is Abauj megye, Hungary http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 Magyar is Hungary, Hungarian Slavik I would interpret as Slovak/Slavic A Slovak Republic's phone book is listing KAZAR but not in the Eastern region that borders Ukraine. www.zoznamst.sk Some of the KAZARIs that came thru EI were from Ungvar. Were your ancestors naturalized citizen? If not and lived pass 1940 than they would have filed an Alien Registration Form.		17/04/2005, 23:57:31 #: 200504693 post replyedit abuse? profile

	jtorres: Re: Kazary I don't think my last reply went through. My relatives begin after those from Abaj. I am 100% confident that my family comes from Hungary. They spoke Hungarian. My mother was taught how to count to ten in Hungarian by her mother. As far as Ungvar goes I am not sure. I don't see where the letter "G" in Ungvar is in any of the words. One of the words reads "Unmisgya" or something like that, of course. I just finished filling out all the paper work to request the natuaralizaion records of my great-grandfather. Hopefully the INS will be able to find the records and it will list the village he came from. I did see the Kazari listed in EI and I am somewhat convinced this is my great-grandmother. I am still trying to confirm this. Jason		18/04/2005, 01:12:24 #: 200504697 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Kazary Jason You know the size of Hungary at the time of your ancestors http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/austhung.htm and all the languages spoken? My grandmother had to learn Hungarian but she was born in what is now present Slovak Republic. Keep in mind the (mis)spelling by census takers right with the Abaj which should be Abauj. What if the census taker wrote it the way he/she heard it, Unmisgya sound to me like Ungmegye. No town Unmisgya. You noticed that there is no specific town but state name only. Does the information from Ellis Island manifest of Francziska, Erzsebet and Anna KAZARI matches with the information that you have? The three were going to KAZARY Karoly living in McKeesport, Pa.		18/04/2005, 01:45:21 #: 200504698 post replyedit abuse? profile

	wkazary: Re: Kazary I also share the last name, Kazary. Your postings popped up when I did a search on Google. I would be very interested in the results of Jason's research. Because there are so few in the US with the same last name, and my great grand parents immigrated from Hungry, is possible our relatives came from the same town or area. Thanks, Wil wilnot -a-t- hotmail -d-o-t- com		05/05/2005, 15:04:30 #: 200505133 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Kazary Wil Do you know where your KAZARY ancestor was born ?		05/05/2005, 17:11:44 #: 200505137 post replyedit abuse? profile

	wkazary: Re: Kazary No idea		05/05/2005, 17:15:12 #: 200505140 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Kazary You will have to locate that ancestral village in order to proceed with the research. I have e-mailed you to your hotmail account.		05/05/2005, 17:18:15 #: 200505142 post replyedit abuse? profile

	wkazary: Re: Kazary Thanks. I'll do a little reasearch. Wil		05/05/2005, 17:28:10 #: 200505144 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Kazary I have e-mailed you from two of my e-mail boxes. I would have thought that by now you would have gotten the e-mail from hotmail. Let me know. zlatalzbetka2 at hotmail dot com		05/05/2005, 17:31:07 #: 200505145 post replyedit abuse? profile

	jtorres79: Kazary Today I received my great-grandfather's, Karoly Kazary, Alien Registration Form. I am so happy they found it. I now know that he became a citizen in 1940. He arrived in New York on November 20, 1904 on the SS Patricia. He was born in Hermona, Hungary on July 2, 1876. If anyone has any info please send it my way. I will begin my research on Hermona, Hungary right away. Thanks for reading.		07/06/2005, 00:34:06 #: 200506247 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Kazary jtorres79 This could be a misspelled name of a town. The closes I can think of would be Homonna which is in Zemplen megye and at present as Humenne, Slovak Republic. Is the name of a town typed or handwritten by your ancestor? Any way you can post it on the board for all of us to take a look?		07/06/2005, 01:12:59 #: 200506248 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Kazary jtorres79 The ship SS Patricia arrived Sept.15, 1904, Oct. 27, 1904, Dec. 25, 1904 in New York. Nothing for the date you have from the Alien Registration Form. Take a look for yourself in Cimorelli site on www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html How about a town named Hermany which is in Szeben megye and at present in Romania?		07/06/2005, 01:33:55 #: 200506249 post replyedit abuse? profile

	jtorres79: Alien Registration Form I will make a scan of it tomorrow. Everything is typed in the document. I may even do some research at the County courthouse since his citizenship didn't occur until 1942. Perhaps I may find citizenship papers for his wife Elizabeth. This would also list the place of birth which will help in identifying the current city name. Jason		07/06/2005, 02:51:12 #: 200506250 post replyedit abuse? profile

	jtorres79: Kazary PDF Here is a PDF of the Alien Registration Form. I am currently seeking information regarding the SS Patricia. Perhaps the actual day and month is wrong but I hope the name of the ship was correct. This image is attached to the message. To see the image in original size, please click on it.		10/06/2005, 02:49:44 #: 200506383 post replyedit abuse? profile

	wkazary: Re: Kazary PDF Jason: Nice work. I just saw the Alien Registration Form. Thanks for finding it. Wil		18/06/2007, 17:47:08 #: 200706854 post replyedit abuse? profile

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