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	Csallóköz Kedves Kutatók, úgy emlékszem, valaki már kutatta az ekeli Nagyváthy családot, de nem találom az üzenetét.Az én dédanyám Nagyváthy Mária (1871-1952), ekeli származású, de Csallóközaranyosra ment férjhez Nagy Lászlóhoz. Édesanyja Nagy(Váthy) Ágnes volt, akinek a szülei: Nemes NAGYVÁTHY FERENC(1833-1915) földbirtokos, édesanyja Nemes NAGY KRISZTINA(1833-1918).Ez utóbbiak kapcsolatát keresem az ekeli Nagyváthy családfában.Nagyon örülnék, ha valaki tudna nekem segiteni.Előre is köszönettel Zsuzsanna		27/10/2006, 08:03:01 #: 2006101055 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kerwood1: Looking for Nagyvathy family information Hello my name is Keith Erwood and I am looking for information on the Nagyvathy family. My great grandmother Roza came to the United States, I cannot recall the year right now but I will post that later. She was raised by her Grandfather Frigyse Nagyvathy and Grandmother Juliana Barczay. Juliana passed away on easter sunday in 1924. I also had a relative Geza Nagyvathy who had two children named George and Rudolph Zoltan Nagyvathy. He Geza was married to Maria "Mary" Zavartkay . There was also a Frank Nagyvathy and his wife who had a daughter Ida. Ida Nagyvathy left for the U.S. in 1913 with her mother and another girl name Juliana but I could not make out her last name. Any information is helpful.		10/03/2008, 06:51:03 #: 200803555 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kerwood1: Re: Looking for Nagyvathy family information I would like to add the Rose Nagyvathy came to the U.S. in 1909. Here is some information that I was able to obtain from Ellis Island. First Name: Roza Last Name: Nagyvathy Ethnicity: Hungary; Magyar Last Place of Residence: Tazser, Hungary Date of Arrival: Sep 16, 1909 Age at Arrival: 15y Gender: F Marital Status: S Ship of Travel: Ultonia Port of Departure: Fiume Manifest Line Number: 0022 I am looking for any living relatives in Hungary or anyone that can provide information on my family history as mentioned in the post from yesterday as well. Keith		11/03/2008, 03:16:40 #: 200803623 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Looking for Nagyvathy family information kerwood1 Hungary's phone book: www.magyartelekom.hu/fooldal.vm http://lazarus.elte.hu/autotk map www.kuijsten.de/navigator http://genforum.com		11/03/2008, 04:08:15 #: 200803624 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Looking for Nagyvathy family information Keith No village Tazser or Taszer in (old) Hungary but a Tuzser, Szabolcs megye, Hungary. 114 people came thru Ellis Island from Tuzser; 3 from Tazser; www.stevemorse.org Check LDS-Mormons (Family History Center) site for church records of Tuzser. www.felix-game.ca www.progenealogists.com/hungary		11/03/2008, 04:19:16 #: 200803625 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kezdi: Re: Looking for Nagyvathy family information Hi Keith, I looked the manifest of Ida. Her moms name Ferenczne=(Mrs.Ferencz in Hung.) is crossed out and Maria written over it, the cousins name is Gubacsi Julianna. Their last permanent residence was in Tiszabecs, nearest relative Bartha F. in Kispalád. Their destination was husband/father/br.i.l. Nagyvathy Fer.(encz) in Bervick,Pa. In last column their birthplace, what I believe is Kispalad, a bit misswritten. All of the above three place names are in the general area of Rozas Tazser=corr. Tuzser in NE.Hungary. In the EllisIsland.org database there're many transcribing errors on top of the spellings mistakes. Have to use partial name searches and take into consideration of common mistakes. I tried to find Ferencz Nagyvathi(y) previous trip to the US (1903/12), didn't succed yet, but found Ida and Maria detention record under Nagyverthy. In Hungarian, the surname ending i and y are meaning the same, at one time in history belonged to or origined from that particular place name, here Nagyváty in SW Hungary, and it can varies inside families too. I Searched Ancestry.com, it may interest you: http://boards.rootsweb.com/localities.northam.usa.states.missouri.counties.washington/4579/mb.ashx Hope this helps, Joseph P.s. It seems, the first poster here could be from a different branch of the Nagyvathy noble family in Ekel, western Hungary.		11/03/2008, 21:28:28 #: 200803745 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kerwood1: Re: Looking for Nagyvathy family information Szabolcs megye This is a great help, as my Aunt Bea, said her mother Roza said she came from this place, but I could not find a record of that and it said Taszar on her record. Thank you Zlatica, this will be a great help in tracking down more info.		12/03/2008, 01:40:19 #: 200803755 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kerwood1: Re: Looking for Nagyvathy family information Joseph, Thanks for this as well, I could not make out the name but I do know her name was Maria "Mary" but maybe she changed it when she came here. I have tracked down Ida and one of her daughter her in the U.S. I am mostly interested in finding the roots though. The dad name was Frank, but the Hungarian part you found will be of great help to me as well. There was also a Julius Nagyvathy most like spelled Gulyius or some variation. Roza's grandfather I belive spelling Fyrgise or something like that, known as Frederick Nagyvathy. I have a date of death though I can add later. I was told someone in my family was raised by a grandfather and he was a retired field Marshall from the Austrian-Hungarian Empire. I looked them up as well and I am not sure the dates do not seem to fit in. The only one I know of raised by a grandfather was Roza and I already gave their names. Btw my grandmother Roza was a countess as well, so I may be related to that family as well. But I am trying to find her roots and it is hard searching Hungary. Thank you all for the help. Thanks for the great quick replies.		12/03/2008, 01:51:57 #: 200803756 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kerwood1: Re: Looking for Nagyvathy family information Also can anyone out there translate the first message for me, I believe they may be related in some way as well.		12/03/2008, 01:53:19 #: 200803757 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kezdi: Re: Looking for Nagyvathy family information Keith, The names are, Gyula=Julius, Gyulus could be the nickname, Roza nearest relative in Tuzsér grandfather Nagyváthy Frigyes=Friedrich, her destination uncle Nagyváthy Géza=Hung. historical name, no equal. Research of the Church records at LDS/FHLC could clear up the family connections. Tuzsér had Reformed/Calvinist church, R.Cath. and Gr.Cath. records are under Fenyeslitke and Tornyospalca resp. The Hung. military archives so far digitized the active duty higher ranks 1917-44, no Nagyváthy in them but one Nagyváthi László b.1920. I don't know what the plans with the retired military records. Nagyváthy is a very old noble family, first mentioned to receive privileges is Vendel in 1248 from king Béla, but many more had important parts in Hungarian history. In 1792 as Nagy-Váthi family got it's nobility reinforced in Komárom County, where Ekel is located. Perhaps the first poster Zsuzsanna has more information about that, I'll ask that when translate her message. Joseph		12/03/2008, 10:53:32 #: 200803768 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: First name website Your welcome. There was a very good first name website http://topolcsanyi.alphalink.com.au/names but it disappeared. Now you can find it using http://archive.org Hungarian noble families: http://genealogy.euweb.cz/hung/hungary.html		12/03/2008, 16:24:45 #: 200803784 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kezdi: kutatás Kedves Zsuzsanna, Sajnos nem tudom hol láthattad az előző üzeneteket, én itt a Keith 1913-ban Tuzsér, Szabolcs megyéből amerikába kivándorolt Nagyváthy család (Róza, Géza, Ferencz, Gyula, itthon maradt Frigyes nagyapjuk nyugalmazott magasrangu katona volt) kapcsolataiban próbálok neki segíteni. Kéri, hogy valaki fordítsa le neki az üzenetedet és hogy tudsz e valamilyen kapcsolatot az ő Tuzsér-i Nagyváthy családjukkal. Szivesen fordítok, ha szükséges, addig is bemásolok egy történelmi dokumentumot a Királyi Könyvekből, ha esetleg nem lenne meg. Üdvözlettel, Kupán László, Kaliforniából This image is attached to the message. To see the image in original size, please click on it.		12/03/2008, 19:40:04 #: 200803798 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kezdi: Re: kutatás Az Magyar Országos Levéltár gyüjteményéből/ From the Hungarian National Arcives: XXVII. An. Ch. 1248. Belae R. H. metales pro villa Arpa Castri Komárom emanatae In priuilegio Domini Belae regist aurea bulla vallato, anno ab incarnatione Domini M.CC.XL. VIII. exorto – – hae clausulae adinueniebantur: Item metae villae Arpa, quae est castri Kamarun, cuius prima meta egreditur, et vadit versus meridiem, per binas metas ad aliam villam 32Arpa, quae est villa Dominae reginae. Inde venit ad villam Banna, deinde per circuitum redeundo ad partem meridionalem tendit ad villam Vitiz, qua etiam Arpa nuncupatur; iude redeundo versus occidentem venit ad tertiam villam Arpa, quae pertinet ad Apa Iobbagionem castri de Kamarun, et exinde tendit versus villam Zelebeg vsque magnam viam, quae vadit Iaurinum, et ibi terminatur. Item est alia villa Arpa, cuius terre medietas pertinet Comitatui de Kamarun, alia autem medietas praeconibus Dominae reginae, quam possident communiter metis vndique inclusam; cuius terrae prima meta incipit iuxta terram Paulini de genere Katpan, et egreditur ad orientem; inde reuertitur versus meridiem ad villam Bana, deinde venit vsque villam Hozuga et Syke – arpa nominatam, ad priorem metam postmodum redeundo.” E priuilegio Capituli Budensis feria IV. proxima ante festum Penthecostes anno Domini M.CCC.LXX. octauo emanato, eruit Vendel. Nagyváthy.		12/03/2008, 19:45:59 #: 200803799 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Csallóköz: Re: kutatás Kedves László, figyelem a levelezésteket, de érdemben még nemigen tudtam válaszolni. Szabolcs megye az a megye, ahol a legkevesebb Nagyváthy élt. Valószinűleg az "egyik" ekli N. Ferenc kapott ott birtoko/ka/t, s tőle ered a szabolcsi ág. Az biztosnak látszik, hogy a Nagyváthy család elsődlegesen Komárom vármegyei család, birtokaikat itt szerezték, Ekel községből származnak. (Az is biztos, hogy a miskolci hires gazdász, Nagyváthy János ugyancsak ekli származású.) A probléma az, hogy olyan nagyon kiterjedt család, hogy alig van Magyarországon olyan megye, ahol nem élt valaha is a család leszármazottja. Az én dédnagymamám közvetlen az ekli ágból származik. Sok adatot összegyűjtöttem már, dokumentumokat is.Szivesen irok ezekről magánlevélben. A kapcsolat valahol biztosan fellelhető. Hamarosan ismét kutatok Nyitrán a Területi Levéltárban. Majd figyelek, hátha lesz valami apró utalás a szabolcsi ágra is. Igy leltem rá a borsodi kapcsolatra is (ez az emlitett Nagyváthy János szempontjából fontos) A legfontosabb lenne azonban a Tiszántúli Egyházmegye tuzséri anyakönyveit átnézni. Ezek 1781-től 1895-ig a Magyar Országos Levéltárban vannak. Vegyes -- tehát katolikus és református anyakönyvek. Egyelőre hamarjában ennyit.A forditást megköszönöm. Jelentkezem, ahogy fentebb irtam. Üdvözlettel Zsuzsa P.S. azok a bizonyos előző üzenetek nem derültek ki. Lehet, hogy én emlékeztem rosszul.		12/03/2008, 22:04:55 #: 200803807 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kezdi: Nagyvathy family information Hi Keith, Zsuzsanna said in mail, that the Ekel Nagyvathy family spread out wide in Hungary, and yours also could moved sometime from Komarom County to Szabolcs County. You have to research the Vital registers starting with Tuzser. She already collected many documents from the archives, could send it to you, write first to the address in the Profile here, C.c.-t it to me for translation. Joseph The translation of Zsuzsanna message: Dear researchers, Looking for others who rearching the Ekel Nagyváthy family. My g.g.mother Nagyváthy Mária (1871-1952) was from Ekel, married and moved to Nagy László of Csallóközaranyos. [Both of the above places were part of Komarom County in west central historical Hungary. Today falls into Slovakia and their Slovakian names are Okoličná na Ostrove and Zlatná na Ostrove, in Komarno region.] Her mother was Nagy(Váthy) Ágnes, whose parents were: Noble NAGYVÁTHY FERENC(1833-1915) landowner, mothers name Noble NAGY KRISZTINA(1833-1918). I'm reserching for these connection to the Ekel Nagyváthy family tree. Would be very happy, if someone could help in that. Thank you ahead. Zsuzsanna		13/03/2008, 20:02:02 #: 200803856 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kerwood1: Re: Nagyvathy family information Hi, Sorry I did not check back here in quite some time. I would love to be able to get these, it helps me out a great deal. I will send you an email so we can exchange addresses. Thank you both.		25/10/2008, 02:38:20 #: 2008101044 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kerwood1: Re: Nagyvathy family information please feel free to email me if you have any more information.		03/04/2009, 23:41:41 #: 20090476 post replyedit abuse? profile

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