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Bussalini262001: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
Hello, my name is Joseph Kelemen, My great grand mother came to the u.s in the year 1912 july 16 to be exact. She was from Tenke, If you can find any info on her please contact me at Bussalini262001 -a-t- yahoo.com -d-o-t- she married Lajos Kelemen and she was 20 years old when she arrived here. I'm also looking for the origin of the name moilnar. My great grandparents names on my grandmothers side were Ignatz kovach and bertha Moilnar. I'm not sure if Moilnar is Hungarian.

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11/12/2004, 17:59:16
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kezdi: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
Hi Joseph,
Moilnar is most likely Molnár, means miller, a frequent Hungarian name, did you consireded that possibility yet? When our ancestors came over, many spelling mistakes were made, just recently I helped somebody who had the Kegges name for 100 years, couldn't find their ancestors, turned out the original name was Kegyes. Look up Ferenc Molnar, the famous writer, wrote the Carousel.
Joseph
11/12/2004, 19:32:13
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bussalini262001: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
Hello, I made a mistake in the spelling of noilnar. I looked at my record's and the last name I am looking for is moinar no L in it. write back soon. My last name is kelemen bout my grand-father changed it to keleman with an a. I guess to americanize it I'm not sure really.

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16/12/2004, 13:56:08
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erdospal: Orbán Viktória tanárnő, Torda
Erdős Pál vagyok Geszt községből, Békés megyéből.

Kérem jelentkezzen, aki tud valamit Orbán Viktória tordai tanárnőről.

Felrakok egy képet, melyen egy levelezőlap látható, és a levelezőlapról szóló újságcikk.

Köszönöm előre is.

Üdvözlettel: Erdős Pál. Geszt, 2005. március 22.

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22/03/2005, 13:59:10
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bussalini262001: Re: Orbán Viktória tanárnő, Torda
22/03/2005, 14:20:50
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bussalini262001: Re: Orbán Viktória tanárnő, Torda
I'm sorry but I don't uderstand the letter you sent me in my e-mail or on the web site as I speak only english. can you please transalate for me.
22/03/2005, 14:23:37
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erdospal: Re: Orbán Viktória tanárnő, Torda
I'm sorry but I don't uderstand the letter you sent me in my e-mail or on the web site as I speak only english. can you please transalate for me.
22/03/2005, 14:26:51
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bussalini262001: Re: Orbán Viktória tanárnő, Torda
My greatgrandfathers name was Lajos Kelemen also from Tenke. write back soon.
22/03/2005, 14:47:31
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erdospal: Victoria Orban teacher from Torda, Rumania
Im Paul Erdos from village Geszt in county Bekes.

The website forumom, see the postcard, and the newspaper.

Keresem Victoria Orban teacher woman from Torda town, Rumania.

Thank you.

Paul Erdős. Geszt, 2005. march 22.
22/03/2005, 15:31:28
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bussalini262001: Re: Victoria Orban teacher from Torda, Rumania
But I'm not sure what It means. are you saying that she could be a relative?
22/03/2005, 15:44:25
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bussalini262001: Re: Victoria Orban teacher from Torda, Rumania
can you please tell me what the postcard and newspaper say?
22/03/2005, 15:47:16
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erdospal: Victoria Orban teacher from Torda, Rumania
Dear Joseph!

I speak English, but elég keveset.

Üdvözlettel: Pál Erdős. Geszt, 2005. march 22.
22/03/2005, 15:51:28
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bussalini262001: Re: Victoria Orban teacher from Torda, Rumania
can you find anything about the kelemen name? my last name is kelemen, my greatgrandfathers name was lajos kelemen came to U.S in 1912. Also from Tenke which I think is part of Romania now. I know I have family in hungary and or Romania to trhis very day. lajos and clara kelemen(orban) were married and had four sons, louis, william,nicholos and my grand-father daniel.I kept my mothers last name kelemen.
22/03/2005, 15:59:52
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kezdi: Re: Victoria Orban teacher from Torda, Rumania
Hi again,
Joseph, the (posted by Pál) postcard was sent for easter greeting by a teacher Victoria Orbán in 1918 from Torda to a lady Denise. Torda is also in Transylvania in the adjacent county to Tenke. He post it here in case your Orban has connection.

Not make it any easier, that all four of your names are very frequent Hungarian surnames. I checked the Romanian White Pages for Tinca(R)/Tenke(H) and/ Bihor(R)/Bihar(H) County:
Kelemen 0/69
Orban 13/89
Molnar 1/301
Kovacs 3/612

As you see, I corrected Kovach to Kovacs, and Moinar to Molnar, the first versions are archaic and/or miss spellings.

Besides/or before writing to the Orbans, you could also contact the appr. church in Tenke/Tinca.

l ORBAN CATALIN
Address: Avram Iancu, Nr. 95, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310653
l ORBAN EVI
Address: Emanuil Gojdu, Nr. 4A, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310631
l ORBAN GETA ADRIANA
Address: Andrei Muresanu, Nr. 23, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310755
l ORBAN JULIU
Address: Trandafirilor, Nr. 21, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310819
l ORBAN MARIA
Address: Avram Iancu, Nr. 158, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310756
l ORBAN PETRU
Address: Avram Iancu, Nr. 64, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310312
l ORBAN STEFAN
Address: Avram Iancu, Nr. 28, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310288
l ORBAN VALENTIN
Address: Republicii, Nr. 35, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310033
l ORBAN WILIAM
Address: Dorobantilor, Nr. 13, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310172
l ORBAN ALEXANDRU
l ORBAN CAROL
Address: Andrei Saguna, Nr. 1, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310141
l ORBAN IULIU
Address: Avram Iancu, Nr. 6B, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310471
l ORBAN KLARA
Address: Emanuil Gojdu, Nr. 4, Sc. , Etaj , Apart. , TINCA, 50, 417595, Phone: 259.310719

The last one looks interesting, since matches your g.grandmothers name.

Joseph, from Calif.
24/03/2005, 16:58:47
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Joseph: Re: Victoria Orban teacher from Torda, Rumania
I wanted to thank you for the information you sent me via e-mail. Is Tenke now Romania? according to my g.grandparnets ship records they were from Tenke,Hungry. but when I read my grandfather daniels kelemen's notes he mentions certain names and I'll just run a few of them by you. I am really not sure of the spellings of these words as some of them are in hungarian so please bear with me. he says his mother(my great grand mother) clara orban (kelemen) after she married. born august.12,1892 died here in the U.S in may.17,1952 grand parents cikie yucsa and laczko L. orban. Town-Jud Beher,Tenka now I'm going to write what my grandfather wrote in his own words before he died a couple of years ago. My aunt Eliona married first and from what I understand had 5 children. The only one I know of is her daughter Ilona and I knew she lived in bucherest,Romania. My uncle Mike came to the U.S. in 1923 and married Giz-zella Domju(?) who divorced him and deported back to hungary. but they had two sons mike jr and jimmy.he also lists a couple of names...marta born sept.23,1942 Gabor oct.15,1945 and josef dec.29,1951 and he says that they live at this time in Bataszek,Hungary. If you can find anything about these thinghs please write me and let me know please. thank you very,very much.
25/03/2005, 19:56:21
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kezdi: Re: Victoria Orban teacher from Torda, Rumania
Joseph,
I see, the missed history lessons. After WWI Hungary was dismembered, and Transylvania was transferred to Romania by a treaty forced on Hungary in 1920 at TRIANON, France. As of today still over 2 millons ethnic Hungarians living in Romania, and an other million in the other neighboring countries. A good place to learn about Hungarian history is the Corvinus Library: http://hungarianhistory.com/

I can't help you in actual search, not a professional genealogist, just helping as a hobby. You either write the letters yourself or hire a professional.

Town-Jud Beher,Tenka = misspell of Tenke (perhaps from a letter), Jud=the word District in Romanian (I called County in my earlier post, the Hung. word is Megye), Beher also misspelled it's Bihar in Hung., Bihor in Rom. Try to find Tenke on these early 1900 county maps of Hungary, look for Bihar County, Tenke is in the blue bordered district. On this map of Bihar County you can see the occupied and final borders between Hungary and Romania. Also, in the bottom of the website you can find the whole map of pre 1920 Hungary with counties shown.

You can find Bátaszék easily on this interactive map of todays Hungary =(Magyarország in Hungarian): http://lazarus.elte.hu/moterkep/mb.htm

What's the surnames of Márta, Gábor and József, are they all Kelemens?

MATAV Hung. phone dir. http://www.matav.hu/index.html lists the following, all three females:
1.
Kelemen József(né)=Mrs.
Tolna megye= Tolna county
7140 Bátaszék, Budai utca 19. (74) 491804
2.
Kelemen Erika
Tolna megye
7140 Bátaszék, Hunyadi János utca 26. (74) 492768
3.
Dr. Kelemen Endréné
szakasszisztens
Tolna megye
7140 Bátaszék, Tavasz utca 20. szakasszisztens(occupation)
(74) 492107 (30) 2323719
Happy Easter,
Joseph
25/03/2005, 21:46:30
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kezdi: Re: Orbán Viktória tanárnő, Torda
Joseph'
I forgot to add in my post about the postcard, the typing is from a newspaper artical, where it was recently published as an example of old times Easter greeting.
Joseph
26/03/2005, 21:08:57
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joseph: Re: Orbán Viktória tanárnő, Torda
Thank you for the information. I'm going to assume that yes they are or were Kelemens (about your question regaurding the surnames of the people I listed) It's strange....when my grandfather Daniel was a young man he started spelling his last name keleman with an a instead of an e. I'm unsure of why he did this, I assume again that he did it to try and americanize it. And I'm really not sure when he did this or if he did this leagally. I remember seeing picture's of him in his youth as a soldier in a newspaper article and under his picture Kelemen was spelled men but somewhere in time he changed it to man ( last part of the name.) Now that I know this I want to spell it the way it's supposed to be spelled, the only thing is now I have a five year little girl and she has the Keleman name I don't want to confuse her. so I may wait untill she get's a little older and explain then. It's funny when my grandfather was a little kid my greatgrandfather didn't speak very good english but my grandfather being born here in 1925 did. so when day when my grandfather came home and brought a report card with a F on it my greatgrandfather said what does the F stand for daniel and he replied...well, that stands for fair dad. And of course he beleived that! thought you'd get a kick out of that. both of my grandparents were hungarian-They both passed away a coulple of years ago now I wish I would've asked more questions then ya know? so now I'm doing reasearch. my grandfathers surname was kelemen and my grandmothers was kovac. my mother is full hungarian. I took my mothers madien name which was Keleman. well, I've typed gtoo much for now. please keep in contact with me as I enjoy our talks. I know you can only do so much but what you've done is enough. I really thank you for the help. I take it your hungarian. I'm really interested in my hungarian roots. I'm 30 years old and live near cleveland ohio. Someday I plan to go to hungary to find my relatives. Maybe when I'm done with school. from my family to your's Happy Easter!
26/03/2005, 21:34:27
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oggiee
Hello!

Csak náhány nevet tudok,de ha valaki tudna ez alapján segíteni,megköszönném.Dédapám úgy tudom Siklósdon volt református lelkész,apám szerint neve Orbán Balázs.A vezetéknév biztos,a másik nem,apám már 70éves és beteg,nem biztos,hogy jól emlékszik.A lánya,nagyanyám Orbán Margit volt.Nem tudok többet,ezért talán református lelkészek segítségét kérném,nekik biztos vannak nyilvántartásaik.
Köszönöm:D.B.Margit
24/04/2005, 17:47:17
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bussalin262001: orban
I'm sorry but I dont speak hungarian, I speak only English so I'm afraid I don't underdstand what you posted.
24/04/2005, 19:08:38
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 Orban - Dunajska_streda_[mliecany] forum: Tommy: tejed
Pavel Ondrejkovic: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
In nobilus Dokumenten von unsere Famielie in Unterschrift von Jahr 1665 mitt Hernn Orban, Majthenyi.
16/08/2005, 12:31:48
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bussalini262001: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
I'm sorry but I don't speak hungarian, do you speak english?
17/08/2005, 00:42:00
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Paolus: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
in dokuments off yer 1665 our noble family is too name Orban and Majtheny.
19/08/2005, 15:13:50
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Paolus: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
in dokuments off yer 1665 our noble family is too name Orban and Majtheny.
19/08/2005, 15:14:02
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bussalini262001: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
19/08/2005, 15:17:59
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bussalini262001: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
I have relatives in hungary at this time. My name is joseph kelemen, my grandparents were daniel kelemen, betty kelemen ( kovach ) my great-grandparents came to the u.s. in 1912, he was 26 and she was 20. maybe we are related and don't even know it! my great grand parents names were lajos kelemen and clara kelemen ( orban )
19/08/2005, 15:22:30
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Janos: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
Joseph,
I live in Transylvania (Romnaia). The Kelemen surname is a common one here. For more data you must fix in some way the place of the origin of your ancestors.
Happy hunting!
Janos
21/08/2005, 07:38:16
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Aladar Ondrejkovic: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
Unterschrift anno domini 1665 Stephanus Orban und Franciscus Szegedy
30/09/2005, 12:55:03
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Aladar Ondrejkovic: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
Unterschrift anno domini 1665 Stephanus Orban und Franciscus Szegedy
30/09/2005, 12:55:11
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szilvianak: Orbán
Furtai anyakönyvben találtam: 1865.ápr. 25. születendő gyermek Imre. szülei Orbán MIhály, Sólyom Mária.
09/10/2007, 19:49:11
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Sinay: Keresés
Kedves Orbánok!

Én olyan Orbán családbelieket keresek, akik, vagy akiknek felmenői reformátusok, és a Vas megyei Pankasz környékéről származnak!

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24/06/2008, 10:05:58
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Orbán Csaba: családfa
Apám. Orbán József Hajdú- Bihar megyében Derecskén született
Nagyapám :Orbán István, felesége Nagy Erzsébet
nagyapám testvére: Orbán Károly,(Derecske) gyermekei úgy tudom Debrecenben élnek.
Üknagyapám: Orbán Benő
Ha ismeri a rokonságot még jobban kérem irjon.
Orbán Csaba
14/10/2008, 12:56:35
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szaffy87: En si keresem csaladom
Most talaltam meg ezt az oldalt, meg nem foglalkoztam a nevem eredetevel. Kezdivasarhely es kornyekerol szarmazok, nagyszuleim Kezdimartonosba elnek. Ha barki aki errol a reszol szarmazik kerem irjon. Celom, hogy ha siekrul visszavezetni a csaladom szarmazasat, osszehivni es ismerkedi a tavoli rokonaimmal:)
09/01/2009, 16:46:34
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Janos: Re: haromszeki Orban csaladok
A haromszeki telepulesek egyhazi anyakonyveit Sepsiszentgyorgyon az allami leveltarban lehet kutatni. Jo eredmenyt lehet elerni az egyhazaknal maradt Csaladkonyvek atnezesevel is. Mindenkepp meg kell rajzolni a kulonbozo csalad-agakat. Csaladfarajzolo programmal es adatokkal (anyakonyvek oldalankenti digitalis masolataval) tudunk segiteni. Szerencses esetben 1700 korulig lehet kovetni a szarmazast. Janos - Sepsiszentgyorgyrol, www.erdelygen.uw.hu
22/01/2009, 06:31:57
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ORBANCSB: Re: En si keresem csaladom
en orban csaba vagyok,kezdivasarhely
25/04/2009, 17:29:34
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lukazsuzsa: Re: En si keresem csaladom
Kedves szaffy87! Látom, hogy több mint egy éve írta be ezt a bejegyzés, és mivel látom, hogy Kézdimartonosból származik a családja, gondoltam írok. Én nemrégiben kezdtem el családom eredete után kutakodni, akik szintén Martonosból származnak. Édesapám és nagytatám is Luka Árpád, dédszüleim Luka Mihály és Kelemen Mária. Az ők szüleinek neveit is sikerült kiderítenem, vannak köztük Orbánok, Jankók, Fülöpök.
Ha esetleg ezen családok leszármazottja, szívesen felvenném a kapcsolatot Önnel.
Üdvözlettel, L. Zsuzsánna
14/01/2010, 11:14:39
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Janos: Re: Kezdimartonos
Kedves Zsuzsa!
A kezdimartonosi romai-katolikus egyhazi bejegyzeseket a szentkatolnai anyakonyvekben lehet megtalalni. Tobb Luka Mihaly is szerepel benne, igazan szep lenne osszekotni a szalakat. A Luka nem egy nagyon gyakori csaladnev.
Mellekeltem ami a fentiek alapjan osszeallt...
Szivesen rajzolom tovabb is, amennyiben a kiegeszito adatokat eljuttatod hozzam.
Udvozlettel,
Janos - Sepsiszentgyorgyrol

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15/01/2010, 09:20:35
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nicole77
Anyai nagymamám : Gáti Irén Édesanyja :Istenes Rózália Nagymamája : Orbán Rózália
25/01/2010, 11:25:11
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nicole77
Anyai nagymamám : Gáti Irén Édesanyja :Istenes Rózália Nagymamája : Orbán Rózália
25/01/2010, 11:25:14
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nicole77
Anyai nagymamám : Gáti Irén Édesanyja :Istenes Rózália Nagymamája : Orbán Rózália
25/01/2010, 11:25:22
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gavrilo: Re: Keresés
Tisztelt Barátaim!

a Győr-Moson-Sopron megyei Páli községben élő Orbánokról szertnék többet megtudni..
Tudomásom szerint itt 1715-ben már kimutatható ez a név . Az én dédapám Orbán Lajos, felesége Nagy Karolina -Egyházaskeszőről
Az ükapám szintén Orbán Lajos volt.
minden információnak örülök...

további jó kutatómunkát: Gavrilo
20/06/2010, 12:38:16
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Ruth: My Father's Family
My father was Niklos Orban, born in Olaszfa, Vas in June 1939. He came to Germany in 1956 or so. He married my mother Ingeborg and lived in Saarlouis, Germany. His parents were Miklosene and Anna Varga. If you know anything about this family or even the town, or who I can contact for information about the family. I would much appreciate it.
Google Translation:
Apám Niklos Orbán, született Olaszfa, Vas júniusban 1939. Azért jött, hogy Németországban 1956-ban és így tovább. Feleségül vette anyámat, és Ingeborg éltek Saarlouis, Németország. Szülei Miklosene és Varga Anna. Ha tudsz valamit erről a család vagy akár a város, vagy akik tudom kapcsolattartási információkat a család. Én nagyra értékelem azt.
12/08/2010, 22:22:53
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ildiko.orban : Re: My Father's Family
Kedves Ismeretlen !
Orbán Ildikó vagyok Vas Megyében Vasvár Városban élek. Szüleim is Olaszfai születésüek, édesapám Orbán józsef.Az 1939-es születésü Orbán Miklós és édesapám első unokatestvérek.Várom a további információkat rólad.
Üdvözlettel : Orbán IldikÓ
01/10/2010, 11:57:31
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Ruth: Re: My Father's Family
I was excited to receive a reply. It is difficult to translate your message. I understand that your father was Joseph Orban born in 1939 and that your family is from Olaszfa, but the rest of the message is unclear.

Is it possible to translate it to English for me?

Thank you.

Ruth
01/10/2010, 12:58:13
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ildiko.orban: Re: My Father's Family
Dear Ruth!

I DO NOT SPEAK IN ENGLISH! DO YOU SPEAK IN GERMAN? YOUR FATHER AND MY FATHER FIRST COUSIN.I SPOK IT WITH MY FATHER. THE FATHER WAS BORN TI ME IN 1945 ON OLASZFA.
Ildikó
02/10/2010, 13:54:48
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Ruth: Re: My Father's Family
Deutsch ist ein bisschen besser für mich. Ich spreche es ein wenig. Ihr Vater, Joseph, war meines Vaters Niklos, Vetter? Ich weiß nur, daß mein Vater im Jahre 1939 wurde im Juni und Vater und Mutter geboren wurden benannt Miklos und Anna. Mein Vater hatte auch einen Bruder, aber ich weiß nicht, seinen Namen. Kann Ihr Vater geben keine Informationen über meine Familie. Ich weiß nichts über sie und ich versuche, es herauszufinden.

Danke so sehr für Ihre Hilfe.

Ruth
04/10/2010, 14:15:50
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nittaf01
orbán rózália : nagymamám nagymamája
orbán károly : nagymamá dédapja
31/01/2011, 11:19:48
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nittaf01
orbán rózália : nagymamám nagymamája
orbán károly : nagymamá dédapja
31/01/2011, 11:19:51
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nittaf01
orbán rózália : nagymamám nagymamája
orbán károly : nagymamá dédapja
31/01/2011, 11:19:53
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Maryellen: Re: Trying to find out what the names were of my great grand-mother
My grandparents were Bertha Molnar and Irnatz Kovach(Kovacs) from Hungary. One of their daughters Betty (my fathers sister) married Daniel Keleman, who obviously was my Uncle. Are we talking about the same family possibly?
24/02/2011, 04:02:06
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Janos: Re: Molnar-Kovacs-Kelemen
Dear Maryellen,
You must have at least a place name and some cca. birth and marriage years of your ancestors. Otherway it's very hard to find any connections. Have you their immigration records?
All the surnames you mentioned are common in Transylvania too (it was part of Hungary also, before 1918).
Janos - from Transylvania (Romania)
24/02/2011, 08:27:35
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meszimehek: Solt
Solton 1791-ben házasodott Orbán János Lajos Erzsébettel. Erzsébet, Susanna, János és Anna nevű gyermekeikről többet nem tudok. Az én ősöm István, Kun Lídiát 1826-ban, majd Bíró Klárát 1831-ben vette feleségül. Csak Lídia nevű gyermekük érte meg a felnőttkort eddigi ismereteim szerint. Ha valaki kapcsolódik az ágamhoz jelezzen!
Köszönöm: Julika
23/03/2012, 17:26:49
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