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	temesvar: Looking for Steuers on the Steuer family who came to USA (philadelphia) in 1903. Johan, his wife Catharina, and 3 children (Andrew my grandfather). Catharina'smaiden name was Maszaros. Our family lore memtions Temesvar as their home town, however I have documents that list Temes Megye as well as Sztamora as possible places of residence. Any help is much appreciated. Thanks Jim This image is attached to the message. To see the image in original size, please click on it.		19/03/2005, 04:40:15 #: 200503787 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Looking for Steuers Jim There is a Temes megye. The old map is at : http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 In that Temes megye there is a town named Temesvar which is Timisoara, Romania. www.jewishgen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dsinfo.htm		19/03/2005, 05:59:00 #: 200503793 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kezdi: Re: Looking for Steuers Jim, Look out, there was two Sztamora in Temes County, in two different Districts. The District names are written across on these county maps of Hungary from the early 1900s, Csáki j.(árás)=district colored pink, Verseczi-j. purple: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/vmlista.htm Place Status County (1913) District (1913) Current country Felsősztamora kisközség=small village Temes Csáki Romania Alsósztamora kisközség Temes Verseczi Romania Felső=Upper -Sztamora a.k.a. Román-Sztamora is south and closer to Temesvár. Alsó=Lower -Sztamora a.k.a. Német=German -Sztamora is further south. LDS(Mormons) has R.Cath records for Németsztamora: FamilySearch - Family History Library Catalog http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp I hope you can find them, let me know. Joseph		19/03/2005, 07:47:07 #: 200503795 post replyedit abuse? profile

	temesvar: Re: Looking for Steuers Zlatica and Kezdi, thank you for your help and interest. jim		20/03/2005, 22:55:07 #: 200503865 post replyedit abuse? profile

	temesvar: Re: Looking for Steuers This is the document that I have obtained information about my grandfather origins in Hungary. If I understand correctly - Temes is the name of the county - what is the meaning of Megye? Though Temesvar is not named on the document, my mother was sure that it was the town where the family come from. Lastly, Sztamora, Hungary is mentioned as the family's last residence. Is there other important info to be had in this document? Is there any way of determining the parish church in Temesvar in 1898 the year of my grandfather's birth. thanks Jim This image is attached to the message. To see the image in original size, please click on it.		23/03/2005, 02:55:28 #: 200503996 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kezdi: Re: Looking for Steuers Jim, Megye=County in Hungarian I don't see additional information on the document. I'm afraid curch records aren't available at LDS for 1898 for any of the following places. You'll find two R.Cath. church entries at Temesvar, one is for the main Cathedral=Katedrális 1739-1871, the other is for rest of the city 1717-1852. For Németsztamora a.k.a. Alsó-Sztamora 1806-1847: Roman Catholic parish register of births, marriages and deaths for Németsztamora, Temes, Hungary, also called Deutsch-Stamora, now Stamora Germanǎ, Timiş, Romania. I don't know if your're familiar with the "History of German Settlements in Southern Hungary" by Sue Clarkson: http://cefha.org/banat/gi/history/bhistory.html Also, there's the excellent website The Dreyer Databases - David Dreyer's Extractions of Emigration from the Banat Region of historical Hungary, where two Sreuer listed: http://freepages.genealogy.rootsweb.com/~banatdata/DDB/HomePage.htm STEUER Maria -[S360]- Age: 8 -From: Billed -DtAr: Wednesday, 5 Jun 1907 - To: Trenton, NJ -Via: Bre/NY -Ship: K Wilhelm Ii -Note: Born in Billed. Going to join father, Mathias Steuer. STEUER Mathias -[S360]- Age: 35 -From: Offsenitza -DtAr: Friday, 30 Jul 1909 - To: New York, NY -Via: Fiu/NY -Ship: Ultonia -Note: Born in Offsenitza. Mother-in-law, Theresia Jung, lives in Temeswar. Going to join wife, Katharine Steuer. Last residence, temeswar. Joseph		23/03/2005, 09:42:15 #: 2005031001 post replyedit abuse? profile

	temesvar: Re: Looking for Steuers Joseph, thank you for your most kind reply to my postings. I think I am getting the feel for how this forum works, though I'm not sure if it is better to respond to your email and to post directly on the forum? I have read the article by Sue Clarkson and found it to be very informative and am now exploring The Dreyer Databases web site. Again thank you for the references. I spoke to my Aunt this evening, (my grandfather's last surviving child) to determine if my grandfather spoke German or Hungarian, hoping to find a clue if he was from Deutsch-Sztamora or Roman -Sztamora. My Aunt replied that the family did not speak pure German but more of a mixture -seemed to her as a local dialect -part German - part Hungarian. My grandmother, whose family was from Germany, spoke much better German. I hope to write to the church that you identified in hope of locating sacramental records.(Again my Aunt memtioned that she remembered her father stating that he could not obtain these records because the church was destroyed by fire during the war? ) I do have a copy of the ships manifest that carried my grandfather and his family from Antwerp to Philadelphia in 1903. You may be able to decifer names and places that I am struggling with. Again expressions of appreciation and hope that I haven't worn out my welcome on the forum and that you would be open to further requests for guidance. Thanks Jim This image is attached to the message. To see the image in original size, please click on it.		26/03/2005, 03:37:26 #: 2005031150 post replyedit abuse? profile

	temesvar: Re: Looking for Steuers Atached is the first sheet of the ships Manifest. The Steuer family can be located on lines 12, 13,14 &15. Thanks for any and all assistance Jim This image is attached to the message. To see the image in original size, please click on it.		26/03/2005, 03:42:22 #: 2005031151 post replyedit abuse? profile

	kezdi: Re: Looking for Steuers Jim, You're welcome, and I believe this is a good place to write. I looked the manifest, it's pretty clear, what's your question. I see Steier instead of Steuer, Johan, Catharina, Christina and Andreas, Germans from Hungary coming from Sztamora to b.i.l. Frank Meszaros in Phil. Pa. You don't have to write for church records, just contact the nearest LDS (Mormons) Family Library Center and give them the appr. microfilm numbers. They'll order it and notify you when ready for research in the library, cost only few $. Joseph kupan -a-t- netzero -d-o-t- net		26/03/2005, 11:10:56 #: 2005031158 post replyedit abuse? profile

	MPB: Re: Looking for Steuers I also saw the STEIER spelling. This spelling variation can be explained by the different pronunciations of words in the various German dialects. If your ancestor spoke a dialect where the name Steuer was pronounced like Steier then the clerk taking his particulars may very well have written the name as Steier. You should keep both spellings of the name, as well as Staier, in mind when you search through the records that Joseph has suggested you obtain through LDS, as spelling variations are very common in the old records.		27/03/2005, 10:58:46 #: 2005031196 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Temesvar: Re: Looking for Steuers Joseph and MPB, thanks you for your responses. Have contacted the LDS, and order film to research. thanks jim		01/04/2005, 06:03:36 #: 2005049 post replyedit abuse? profile

	epburkard: Map of Sztamora newer to Timisoara Hi, do you know where I could find maps and/or photos of Felső=Upper -Sztamora a.k.a. Román-Sztamora is south and closer to Temesvár?? Thanks!!! ep burkard		18/05/2009, 05:15:18 #: 200905669 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Map of Sztamora newer to Timisoara Hi Felsősztamora, Temes (Csáki) Romania Alsósztamora, Temes (Versecz) Romania http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/temes.jpg http://atlas.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&formtype=latlong&latlongtype=decimal&latitude=45.6064&longitude=21.3964&size=big		18/05/2009, 06:07:31 #: 200905670 post replyedit abuse? profile

	steugirl: Family tree		14/09/2009, 22:17:20 #: 200909506 post replyedit abuse? profile

	steugirl: family tree In trying to research the family tree we discovered interesting 'facts'. First, the word steuer means tax or tariff in German and since people were named for their vocations, tax collecters would have had this name and since tax collecters were royal, the heritage stems from royalty, which agrees with a royal family crest. Unfortunately, the first mention of a Steuer is as a lord in some governing body in England or Ireland in the 1100's. Then again, going back further, when most of Europe was considered the Autro/German Empire, those of Jewish ancestry were referred to as their first name, then 'ben', meaning child of and then their father's name and often mother's too. The powers that were, found this confusing and ordered all the Jewish people to take a surname. Those who could afford it, bought more expensive names like Steuer and those who could not took the equivalent of Smith or Jones -making it almost impossible to trace the true heritage of any given Steuer. I have been trying to trace the family tree of my husband for years. We know his grandfather's name was Miksha, born in Austria in 1860. At some point, he relocated to either Budapest or Shopron or both, Hungary. He married Regina and had 10 children who survived to adulthood, only four of whom survived WWII. His first born, Lajosh was born in 1896. We are interested in going back further and finding siblings of both Regina and Miksha, or any information about the ten children, some of which we know. I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's posting or other requests. Just looking for info		14/09/2009, 22:40:36 #: 200909507 post replyedit abuse? profile

	steugirl: family tree In trying to research the family tree we discovered interesting 'facts'. First, the word steuer means tax or tariff in German and since people were named for their vocations, tax collecters would have had this name and since tax collecters were royal, the heritage stems from royalty, which agrees with a royal family crest. Unfortunately, the first mention of a Steuer is as a lord in some governing body in England or Ireland in the 1100's. Then again, going back further, when most of Europe was considered the Autro/German Empire, those of Jewish ancestry were referred to as their first name, then 'ben', meaning child of and then their father's name and often mother's too. The powers that were, found this confusing and ordered all the Jewish people to take a surname. Those who could afford it, bought more expensive names like Steuer and those who could not took the equivalent of Smith or Jones -making it almost impossible to trace the true heritage of any given Steuer. I have been trying to trace the family tree of my husband for years. We know his grandfather's name was Miksha, born in Austria in 1860. At some point, he relocated to either Budapest or Shopron or both, Hungary. He married Regina and had 10 children who survived to adulthood, only four of whom survived WWII. His first born, Lajosh was born in 1896. We are interested in going back further and finding siblings of both Regina and Miksha, or any information about the ten children, some of which we know. I hope I haven't stepped on anyone's posting or other requests. Just looking for info		14/09/2009, 22:41:18 #: 200909508 post replyedit abuse? profile

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