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	Otsn: Juliana Szaras I have started looking into my Hungarian family again. My grandmother's name was Juliana Szaras (Szarasz?) according to my grandparents Marriage Certificate. She married my grandfather, Joseph Varga in Ohio in 1906. They are both from Hungary -not sure where in Hungary. Her father's name is listed as John Szaras (Janos Szaras?). His father's name is listed as Barney Varga (Bernard?) Both their mother's maiden names are listed as unknown. My grandmother has also been known as Juliana Nemeth (Nemet?) New information about my grandfather from the Ohio Census dates his first entry into the U.S. as 1899. Ellis Island lists a Joszef Varga who came to the U.S. from Bartfa, Hungary, now Bordajov, Slovakia, in 1899. He apparently came back to Hungary and returned to the U.S. in 1902. There is a Juliana Szarasz who entered the U.S. in 1905, but the records say Male(? ) Perhaps it was a recording mistake at Ellis Island. Does any of this sound familiar to anyone? Thanks, Judi		09/04/2008, 18:30:23 #: 200804385 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Juliana Szaras Judi Does Juliana SZARAS/SZARAZ - VARGA show up in 1930 census? If yes, does the census says Na-naturalized, Al-alien, Pa-first paper? Which ever, you need to follow up on the paperwork. Is it possible that they knew each other in old country? Bardejov www.bardejov.sk		09/04/2008, 20:52:10 #: 200804395 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica: Re: Juliana Szaras Judi Jozsef VARGA arr. from Bartfa (Bardejov) was 30 years old, married going to friend Thos. CZ.PELA, Pittsburgh, Pa If this is your ancestor than I would say go thru the Bardejov's church records to locate his birth and marriage. Did he come thru Ellis Island in 1902? Juliana SZARASZ was 30, single from T. Esslor (sp?) Maybe if we could decipher the village she was from we might be able to proceed further. You mentioned another family surname, KANOTS or KANOTZ but nothing pops up for that spelling in EI site.		14/04/2008, 03:30:02 #: 200804588 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Otsn: Re: Juliana Szaras Zlatica, If you will look at the text version and the passenger record, Jozsef Varga was listed as 20. My grandfather was born in 1879 so that adds up correctly. It must have been either poor handwriting or recorded wrong on that manifest. Not sure if he came through Ellis Island in 1902. My father did mention he spent some time in Pennsylvania before coming to Ohio, so that matches. Not sure why he is listed as married. Maybe I should google Thomas Czepela. I also want to look into the Bardejov church records as you suggested. Juliana Szarasz was born about 1875 (older than my grandfather) so the age is right. She came to this country in 1905, so that matches. I did google T. Esslor and got no results. That will have to be looked into further. She was traveling with a Lajos Kovacs(sp) and that name has been identified by my cousin as a family name. I have also looked for the Kanots on EI and nothing. But I think they may have been related to my grandmother. Not sure. Thanks again! Judi		14/04/2008, 18:44:47 #: 200804615 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Juliana Szaras Judi Yes, the text version of the manifest has him as 20 but when you look at the actual manifest it is written as 30. It would seem that Jozsef was traveling with another person from Bartfa, ANDRUSCSAK and he was going to Hazelton, Pa. Jan CZUPELA arr. in 1921 from Bardiov (Bardejov) Josef CUPELA from Bartfamihaz (Bartfamihaly, Saros) C^UPELA does list in Bardejov's phone book as does ANDRUS^C^AK and KOVAC^. www.zoznamst.sk T. most likely should be F(elso)and I can not decipher the rest of the letters. Is it Eszlan??		14/04/2008, 20:03:35 #: 200804620 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: T.Esslor = Tiszaeszlar Judi What you think? Could T.Esslor be Tiszaeslar, Szabolcs megye, Hungary? KOVACS list in Tiszaeslar but KOVACS is a common surname. I have it in my family tree. www.magyartelekom.hu/fooldal.vm What did your ancestor considered themselves to be or what language was spoken by both of them?		14/04/2008, 21:50:45 #: 200804628 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Otsn: Re: Juliana Szaras If this Jozsef Varga was really 30 then it could not be my grandfather. He was born in March of 1879. So if this is not an error, I've hit another brick wall. The 1930 Census says he immigrated in 1899 and this is the only Jozsef (Josef) Varga that immigrated that year according to what I found on EI. Not sure about The Felso, Eszlan. It's anyone's guess. Thanks, Judi		15/04/2008, 02:13:35 #: 200804634 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Juliana Szaras Judi Does the 1930 census say Na-naturalized, Al-alien or Pa-first paper? My apology if you already mentioned this. My take on our first ancestors, they married within region, religion, few exceptions but for sure one common language to communicate in.		15/04/2008, 05:33:54 #: 200804643 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Otsn: Re: Juliana Szaras Hi Zlatica, The 1930 census lists my grandfather from Hungary; came in 1902; na. In the 1920 census it says he immigrated in 1899 applied for first papers. Able to read and write. From Hungary. In the 1920 census it says my grandmother immigrated in 1905 and was alien. Able to read and write. From Hungary. She passed away around 1923 so there is no further information They were both Roman Catholic. Most in the family say they didn't meet until they came to the U.S. Some say they came together. It's a puzzle. :-) Thanks, Judi		15/04/2008, 15:51:19 #: 200804655 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Juliana Szaras Your welcome Judi. Wonder why I am not being notified about your post. Did you find his first paper? So was he naturalized, alien or still only first paper on the 1930 census? I remember that Juliana passed away early on. Maybe if we establish a precise location for your male ancestor, we might be able to construct the female's roots. I hope. Is the language Magyar on the 1930 census? If he lived pass 1940 and not naturalized than an Alien Registration Form. Anything like that?		15/04/2008, 16:12:46 #: 200804657 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Otsn: Re: Juliana Szaras Zlaticia, No I haven't received his first papers. In the 1920 census it says my grandfather immigrated in 1899 and applied for 1st papers. In the 1930 census, it says came in 1902 from Hungary and was naturalized. It doesn't give a language spoken, just that he can read and write and is from Hungary. He spoke English, but was more comfortable speaking Hungarian. I've seen the word Magyar on other papers. My grandmother was in the 1920 census as alien. She came to this country in 1905. She died when my father was very young, so I don't know for sure if she spoke anything but Hungarian, perhaps some English. The first census my grandparents appear in is in 1910. That says Joe Vargo was from Hungary and his parents were from Hungary. No names for the parents. It says my grandmother, Julia Vargo, was from Hungary and her parents were from Hungary. Changes in given names and surnames reflect the American version of their names. Not sure why you are not notified about posts. I get your in my mailbox. Then I click on the board address in the e-mail and reply to your messages on the board. Thanks! Judi		15/04/2008, 17:17:41 #: 200804662 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Otsn: Re: Juliana Szaras Zlaticia, No I haven't received his first papers. In the 1920 census it says my grandfather immigrated in 1899 and applied for 1st papers. In the 1930 census, it says came in 1902 from Hungary and was naturalized. It doesn't give a language spoken, just that he can read and write and is from Hungary. He spoke English, but was more comfortable speaking Hungarian. I've seen the word Magyar on other papers. My grandmother was in the 1920 census as alien. She came to this country in 1905. She died when my father was very young, so I don't know for sure if she spoke anything but Hungarian, perhaps some English. The first census my grandparents appear in is in 1910. That says Joe Vargo was from Hungary and his parents were from Hungary. No names for the parents. It says my grandmother, Julia Vargo, was from Hungary and her parents were from Hungary. Changes in given names and surnames reflect the American version of their names. Not sure why you are not notified about posts. I get your in my mailbox. Then I click on the board address in the e-mail and reply to your messages on the board. Thanks! Judi		15/04/2008, 17:18:18 #: 200804663 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: Juliana Szaras Judi I like being notified but I do come on this board and other genealogy boards without being notified. Since the 1930 census says that he was Na-naturalized, I would suggest trying to locate this document. Anyone in the family has his naturalization certificate? Not much information but at least an address of the courthouse that is holding his petition. Our ancestors kept up with the new name of their ancestral country so if your ancestor said Hungary, it most likely is the present Hungary. Your grandfather could have come thru Philadelphia, Boston or Baltimore. Maybe his surname is misspelled in EI site.		15/04/2008, 18:31:52 #: 200804665 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Otsn: Re: Juliana Szaras Zlatica, Sorry for the previous double posting. I thought the first one didn't go through so I entered again. Sorry. My father and all his sisters have passed away, and I don't think the cousins have his naturalization certificate. Would it be from the NARA site or the local courthouse? I've tried the NARA site and got no answer. I've tried different variations of the surname or the EI site but no luck. He told my father he came through Ellis Island, but Philadelphia would be a logical place to start, since he was in PA a short time. Thanks, Judi		15/04/2008, 19:37:11 #: 200804668 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Zlatica : Re: naturalization Judi http://members.aol.com/rprost/natural.html http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/naturalization/ http://www.archives.gov/genealogy/naturalization/#find Try the local courthouse.		15/04/2008, 22:42:17 #: 200804677 post replyedit abuse? profile

	Otsn: Re: naturalization Thanks for the links, Zlatica. Judi		16/04/2008, 02:17:42 #: 200804683 post replyedit abuse? profile

	i.szasz.andor: Száraz/Szász cs. Keresem a Száraz Zsuzsanna(1863) család ágát, aki az ilenczfalvi Szász Gergely paphoz ment feleségül. Gyerekeik Gerő(1831) és Zsuzsanna(1839). Minden információ értékes lehet. Andor		13/02/2010, 22:02:52 #: 201002707 post replyedit abuse? profile

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