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Norm
30/08/2004, 06:10:41
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Norm: Tatz Family Research
I am researching my Tatz family roots. My gGrandfather, Antal Tacz, was born in Bustyahaza, Maramaros County, Hungary in 1846. He married Etalka Marzso, also from Bustyahaza and had eight children: Maria (April 4, 1880), Lajos (January 3, 1882), Anna (February 18, 1883) Julianna (October 7, 1884), Sandor (February 7 - March 15, 1885), Laszlo (June 4, 1888), Ilona (March 20, 1890) and Kalman (April 30, 1893). Antal worked for the Royal Hungarian Railways until he retired on December 1, 1907. We have no records of where Antal or Etalka come from. There are no Tatz's in modern Hungary that we know of or in the old Hungarian territories which are now in Romania. Antal spelled his surname Tacz, but the family now spells it Tatz. I do not know why the spelling was changed. I am beginning to suspect that the family origin is German and with all of the turmoil in central Europe at the time, the name was changed for some reason.

Antal had at least one sister, Teresa, that we know of.

My Grandfather is Kalman Tatz. He travelled to China when he was a young man (Harbin, Peking, Canton and Hong Kong) and died in Hong Kong from tuberculosis. He was well known artist in Hong Kong where he made his living creating sculptures of the local politicians and gentry. Both Kalman and his wife, Antonina, died when their family was young, leaving the children in care of godparents. The Japanese invasion of Hong Kong resulted in the loss of most family records.

Kalman's brother Laszlo was also an artist who traveled to China and, we believe he settled in the Philippines. We have no record of his whereabouts except that he traveled widely to sell the portraits he painted.

30/08/2004, 06:11:57
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Szatványi
Bustyaházán (Bustino, Ukrajna) sok német család élt.
30/08/2004, 15:29:20
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Gujar Kalas (Pakistan): Re: Tatz Family Research
http://www.eki.ee/books/redbook/tats.shtml

Tat is a word of Turkish origin, used by Turkic-speakers to denote non-Turkic population of settled way of life. The Russian variant Taty has helped to present the designation more widely.

Habitat. The Tats live in Transcaucasia, in the districts of Siazan, Divichin, Kuba, Konakhkent, Shemakha and Ismaillin, in the city of Baku and on the peninsula of Apsheron, all mainly in the northeast of Azerbaijan. Settlements are not ethnically isolated and Tats live mixed with Azerbaijanis. The majority of the Tati people live in Iran, south of Teheran and dispersed in isolated northern villages.

Population. The census of 1926, records 28,433 Tats in Azerbaijan. Together with the Mountain Jews, the number of Tati-speakers was nearly 70,000.

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30/08/2004, 17:29:26
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Gujar Kalas (Pakistan): Re: Tatz Family Research
http://www.eki.ee/books/redbook/tats.shtml

Tat is a word of Turkish origin, used by Turkic-speakers to denote non-Turkic population of settled way of life. The Russian variant Taty has helped to present the designation more widely.

Habitat. The Tats live in Transcaucasia, in the districts of Siazan, Divichin, Kuba, Konakhkent, Shemakha and Ismaillin, in the city of Baku and on the peninsula of Apsheron, all mainly in the northeast of Azerbaijan. Settlements are not ethnically isolated and Tats live mixed with Azerbaijanis. The majority of the Tati people live in Iran, south of Teheran and dispersed in isolated northern villages.

Population. The census of 1926, records 28,433 Tats in Azerbaijan. Together with the Mountain Jews, the number of Tati-speakers was nearly 70,000.
30/08/2004, 17:33:35
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normtatz: Re: Tatz Family Research
Thanks for the reply. Could the Tats of Turkish origin be the same as the Tacz/Tatz of eastern Europe?
25/10/2004, 00:07:20
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kezdi: Re: Tatz Family Research
Norm,
RADIX has Tacz and Tatz school records in Szatmárnémeti, now Satu Mare, Romania.
http://www.radixindex.com/surnameindex/surnameindex.shtml
25/10/2004, 01:25:00
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Norm: Re: Tatz Family Research
Thanks, I have copies of those records. Could you translate message #: 200408632 for me?
25/10/2004, 04:04:26
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kezdi: Re: Bustyaháza/Tatz Family Research
Many German families lived in Bustyaháza, now (Bustino, Ukraine)
25/10/2004, 20:18:39
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Norm: Re: Bustyaháza/Tatz Family Research
Thank you. Any recommendations on where to start research in the Ukraine?
26/10/2004, 04:49:06
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kezdi: Re: Bustyaháza/Tatz Family Research
It's very difficult to do research in Ukraine and I may add Romania also. It has to be done on site in the centralized Archives, or at the village level, either by yourself or local researcher.
As an alternative long shot, you can try to contact the churches central offices directly. This is a Hungarian language website of the three main Churches, the links and address boxes are on the top, Református=Reformed Calvinist, Római Katolikus=R.Cath., and Görög Katolikus=Gr.Cath.: http://www.karpatok.uzhgorod.ua/szervezetek.html
26/10/2004, 18:45:29
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fam: painting by the L. Tatz
Hello:
I have a portrait painting of a woman, Mary Louise Steensby, who was born in China and late in life settled in Bedford, NH. The painting is signed L. Tatz 1926. Assuming this is Laszlo Tatz, since the time frame and the China both fit your story.
19/09/2005, 18:27:19
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Norm Tatz: Re: painting by the L. Tatz
Thanks for the information, Please contact me by email so we can discuss further.

Norm
19/09/2005, 23:01:02
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Norm Tatz: Re: painting by the L. Tatz
my email address is normtatz -a-t- shaw -d-o-t- ca
20/09/2005, 04:39:56
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Norm Tatz: Re: painting by the L. Tatz
my email address is normtatz -a-t- shaw -d-o-t- ca
20/09/2005, 04:53:18
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salsa: Re: Tatz Family Research
Your grand-father Kalman Katz exhibited in the Peking Hotel, Beijing, China, in 1926 with other foreigners such as Vojtech Chytil (1896-1936), Mr Paulden, Mrs Katherine Carl (portraitiste de l’impératrice Cixi), Mrs Debham etc.
Vojtech Chytil was serving in the foreign forces within the White armies under the orders of Admiral Koltchak in Siberia in 1918-1919, and found himself in Vladivostock, the Harbin, Beijing, then Tokyo in 1920-1922, then Beijing in 1922-1927, where he founded and directed the Western painting department in the National Beijing School of fine arts. He came back in Beijing in 1932-35 as a dealer in arts and paintings and much of his collections are in the National Museum in Prague.
Do you think your austro-hungarian grand-father and uncke had the same kind of wartime adventures ??
Do you know their birth and death dates ? Do you know when Kalman arrived in Beijing, then Hong Kong ? Im much interested in the history of western art in China and thank you very much for any information.
05/02/2008, 11:53:40
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salsa: Re: Tatz Family Research
Your grand-father Kalman Katz exhibited in the Peking Hotel, Beijing, China, in 1926 with other foreigners such as Vojtech Chytil (1896-1936), Mr Paulden, Mrs Katherine Carl (portraitiste de l’impératrice Cixi), Mrs Debham etc.
Vojtech Chytil was serving in the foreign forces within the White armies under the orders of Admiral Koltchak in Siberia in 1918-1919, and found himself in Vladivostock, the Harbin, Beijing, then Tokyo in 1920-1922, then Beijing in 1922-1927, where he founded and directed the Western painting department in the National Beijing School of fine arts. He came back in Beijing in 1932-35 as a dealer in arts and paintings and much of his collections are in the National Museum in Prague.
Do you think your austro-hungarian grand-father and uncke had the same kind of wartime adventures ??
Do you know their birth and death dates ? Do you know when Kalman arrived in Beijing, then Hong Kong ? Im much interested in the history of western art in China and thank you very much for any information.
05/02/2008, 11:53:47
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NTatz: Re: Tatz Family Research
Salsa - It would seem likely that my grandfather would have known Vojtech Chytil. Please contact me on normtatz -a-t- shaw.ca -d-o-t-
05/02/2008, 14:13:06
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Josef: Re: Tatz Family Research
Halo, Ich bin auf den suche nach meine Familienwurzeln. Mein Grossfater Polczer Endre und seine Eltern Polczer Károly(1861-1906) und Tatz Ilona(1871-1959) stammen eben so aus Handalbustyaháza. Von Erzählungen meines Onkel ein Ferwandte von Ilona Tatz war Mahler. Wenn Sie mir etwas mehr darüber sagen können bitte schreiben Sie mir an : ratioport -a-t- gmail -d-o-t- com

Mfg Josef
03/05/2010, 15:39:19
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patrick: Re: Tatz Family Research
Hallo,

I have a painting by Laszlo Tatz, made in Shanghai in 1937.
I'am doing some research on the artist. Do you have any information?

Kind regards,

Patrick
The Netherlands
27/05/2010, 23:38:06
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Norm: Re: Tatz Family Research
Hello Patrick,

Most of what I know about Laszlo is posted on this forum. Recent information shows he died in Manila in June of 1953.

Can you post an image of his painting?

Norm
28/05/2010, 14:30:40
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