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	ricka057: Asztalnok Family I am trying to find information on my grandfather Juliu Asztalnok who came through Ellis Island in 1921 from Amati, Roumania. Unfortunatley I am unable to locate Amati, and don't know if it is in Hungary or Roumania. Any input or suggestions would be greatly appreciated.		2004/05/04, 04:41:49 #: 20040559 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Asztalnok Family ricka057 Posted information to your query under the Siba family name. Amati is in Romania.		2004/05/04, 05:08:43 #: 20040562 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Thank you Zlatica Thank you very much for the information.		2004/05/04, 07:10:56 #: 20040563 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Szmreczak Info I am trying to locate information on Elisabeth Szmreczak who came from Udvari, Roumania in 1922 at age 39. I believe Udvari at that time was part of Hungary, but don't know what it was called, and don't know if it is still named Udvari today. Also am trying to locate her birth records, from Budapest maybe?? Any help would be greatly appreciated. Rick		2004/05/06, 04:07:16 #: 200405111 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Szmreczak Info Rick There is a town named Udvari in Tolna megye, Hungary so then it is possible that your ancestor's Udvari is actually Szatmarudvari, Romania. Borders changed after 1918 so in 1922 it would be correct to say Romania. Recall the map of A-H empire. The LDS-Mormons (Family History Center) website is listing church records of Udvari in Tolna and Bihor megye. You can order the films and gather ancestral information. www.bmi.net/jjaso to familiarize yourself with church wording. The Szatmarudvari is North of Amacz. Too bad that the manifest does not mention anything else to pinpoint the correct Udvari. Using a One Step to locate an Ellis Island manifest, there were 330 people from the town of Udvari. Is the Szmreczak related to Asztalnok? If they are and they married in the "old country" than Amacz and Szatmarudvari seem possible.		2004/05/06, 04:44:27 #: 200405112 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Szmreczak Szmreczak was my grandmother who came over with her mother when she was a child and Aztalnok was my grandfather who came over with his father as a child. We were under the impression they knew each other in the old country. So it is possible. Unfortunately my father has few memories and I am starting from scratch trying to piece our family history together. I appreciate all your help and input. Rick		2004/05/06, 05:03:41 #: 200405114 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Szmreczak Since they did not marry in the old country, it is possible that Szmreczak (seems so Slavic of a name)could be from Udvari that is in Tolna megye of Hungary. The surname ASZTALNOK lists in Hungary's phone site but I can not seem to find SZMRECZAK. www.matav.hu/english/index.html You could order the Udvari films and see if your ancestral name shows up there. The Romania part could be a mistake. I thought that I cross reference by the surname NAGY but that name is so common and found in other countries. There is a listing for Nagy in Udvari, Hungary's phone book. I have no idea if that proves anything or not. If your ancestors were naturalized citizens than those papers should have the information you need for your research. www.nara.gov		2004/05/06, 05:31:06 #: 200405116 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Szmreczak Thanks Zlatica, by the way what made you cross reference the name Nagy? I know we have a Nagy in the ancestor, haven't got down the list to fit him in yet. Rick		2004/05/06, 06:04:33 #: 200405118 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Szmreczak Your welcome. I looked who your Szmreczak ancestor left behind in the old country. It is on her Ellis Island manifest.		2004/05/06, 12:58:21 #: 200405124 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Joseph Szmreczak I am trying to locate information on Joseph Szmreczak, wife of Elisabeth Szmreczak. She mentions in the EI manifest she was going to be with him in McKeesport, PA and I can't seem to find him listed anywhere in the files. I have found a Josef Szmrecsek who came over in 1912 but I don't believe thats him (he lists a different wife's name in his listing). I have even tried multiple spellings, any help would be appreciated. Thanks, Rick		2004/05/08, 06:16:43 #: 200405162 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Joseph Szmreczak Rick It is possible that Elizabeth's husband might have passed thru other port to America and not thru Ellis Island. The Josef Szmrecsek / Smrec'ek is Slovak so he would not be your ancestor. Using www.stevemorse.org One Step about 330 people passed thru EI from Udvari and 67 of them with a first name starting letter J. You might take a look at the manifests. It is possible that his name was misspelled or transcribed with wrong starting letter.		2004/05/08, 16:43:20 #: 200405172 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: other ports? There are two people I am having trouble locating on the EI manifests, A.. (not sure of his first name, could be Ambrus) Asztalnok my great grandfather. He supposedly came here before his wife (Ambrosin) and sons (Julius and Stefan) and Josef Szmreczak my grandmothers father, who was also here when my grandmother arrived with her daughters. I have tried searching multiple spellings and towns in case it was entered with errors, but so far no luck. I didn't realize there were other ports people could have gone through, maybe thats what they did. Would you know which ones and if there are public records, and if I could access them? Thanks, Rick		2004/05/09, 15:27:42 #: 200405178 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica: Re: other ports? Rick The other ports were Boston, Baltimore, Galveston, and Philadelphia. None of those records are on the internet. You need to go to the LDS-Family History Library in your area. There were spelling errors done at the port of departure and then some when the records were transcribed by the volunteers in USA. Keep that in mind. Here is a website for first name translation: www.fam.aust.com/topolcsany/names Each language has its own : Michael in English, Mihaly in Magyar, Michal in Slovak, Migel in Spanish etc. Ambrosin, Juliu and Stefan were naturalized citizens so you can request their naturalization petition if you want to see if there is any family information on the forms.		2004/05/09, 16:01:53 #: 200405179 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: other ports? Rick Did I just seen your post on Ancestry board? If you can not locate your ancestor's manifest on Ellis Island website it is a good possibility that he passed thru other port. You need to go to the Family History Center Library for the other ports manifests. The records would be in respective country. If the LDS-Mormons website does not show any church records for Amati than you will have to hire a researcher in Romania to do the search for you. www.genealogy.ro		2004/05/16, 03:35:06 #: 200405315 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: other ports? Thanks Zlatica, I just found out there is a LDS-Mormons History Center within two miles of my home.Hopefully I'll be able to find a little more information from them, If not I can see what it costs to have someone in Romania to research for me. Thanks again for all your help and input. Rick		2004/05/16, 14:31:42 #: 200405321 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Church Records I am going to write a letter to the church in the area of where my ancestors emigrated from requesting any information they might have. What language should the letter be written in? The town is now in Romania, formerly Hungary, or am I able to just write the information in English. Rick		2004/06/27, 15:29:40 #: 200406540 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Gábor Asztalnok: Re: Asztalnok Family Dear Ricka! My name's Gábor Asztalnok. I was born in Romania in 1982, in Szatmárnémeti. I, and my parents are living now in Hungary. I would be happy if we could change details about your and my family. Sorry, I can't speek english very well...you can see... :) I'm waiting for your answer. Gábor		2005/11/28, 13:53:18 #: 2005111166 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Can't seem to locate first date of entry My great grandfathers name is Ambrus or Ambrose (I have seen it spelled a varity of different ways) Asztalnok, I can not seem to locate his first date of entry into the US. I found his manifest on EI for 1921 where he listed he had been in the states before from 1911 to 1920, I just can't find his first entry. I have searched every port I can find online. I have also founnd where his wife and two children came in 1921. I have even searched the 1920 census records and found nothing, he must have gone back home before then, I guess... Does anybody have any ideas where I can search? -Rick		2006/01/21, 15:18:14 #: 2006011156 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Can't seem to locate first date of entry Rick Could he went to Canada and then came down to USA? You scrutinized with www.stevemorse.org site looking for all the possible misspelings of the surname? I found from an Amacz: ASSTALNOK, ASZTABUOK, ASZTALNOK, ASZTALUOK, ASZTALUSK, and AZSTALUOK. He could have come under another surname. A friend, a family member might not have been able to come on that date so he gave a ticket to your Ambrose.		2006/01/21, 15:56:23 #: 2006011159 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	kezdi: Re: Can't seem to locate first date of entry Rick, Ambrus is #3 on this EI metasearch list, I don't know where you got his 1921 arrival. Passenger Name Residence Arrived Age Born 1 Asstalnok,Eduard Amacz, Hungary 1910 43 1867 2 Asztalnok,Ambrosin Amati, Roumania 1921 32 1889 3 Asztalnok,Andrus ... 1906 27 1879 4 Asztalnok,Eduard Amacz 1907 40 1867 5 Asztalnok,Juliu Amati, Roumania 1921 12 1909 6 Asztalnok,Sandor Palfalva 1905 43 1862 7 Asztalnok,Sandor Amacz 1904 18 1886 8 Asztalnok,Sefan Satumare, Roumania 1922 11 1911 9 Asztalnok,Stefan Amati, Roumania 1921 10 1911		2006/01/21, 17:13:14 #: 2006011161 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Can't seem to locate first date of entry Zlatica: I didn't check Canada, I didn't see any ports listed for there. I did go to the stevemorse.org site and have spent literally hours upon hours going through the possible misspellings, I didn't see anything that coincided with his date of birth that would have matched up. All though it is possible I missed it. On his Death Certificate it lists his DOB at 1877. I'll give it another shot. Kezdi: I found on a manifest from the Port of Boston that "Ambrozie Asztalnok" arrived on Feruary 13, 1921 at the age of 41. That is where stated that he had been here before between 1911 and 1920. I saw the EI Manifest with Andrus Asztalnok, I was wondering if that was him, the birth date is off by two years and like I stated, he didn't mention being here earlier than 1911. Unless 1906 was his first trip and there was another one in 1911. Thank both of you for your input, I really do appreciate it. -Rick		2006/01/21, 23:08:14 #: 2006011190 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	skosa: Re: Ricka057 Dear Ricka057, my name is Kosa Sandor, my grand grandmother was Asztalnok, from Amati (Amac in hungaryan), shes 3 uncles emigrate in USA		2006/02/16, 08:26:18 #: 200602938 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Ricka057: Re: Asztalnok Hello: It is good to hear from you, thank you for getting in touch with me. Can you email me? I have a lot of questions! :) -Rick		2006/02/16, 12:37:26 #: 200602947 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	skosa1: Re: Asztalnok please contact me at skosa -k-u-k-a-c- cjsj -p-o-n-t- ro, thanks.		2006/02/17, 08:55:47 #: 200602995 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Asztalnok Attila: Re: other ports? Asztalnok AMBRUS testvere volt ASZTALNOK SANDORNAK. Aki az en dednagyapam volt.		2006/04/28, 20:36:01 #: 2006041547 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Translate? Can anyone translate this for me: Asztalnok AMBRUS testvere volt ASZTALNOK SANDORNAK. Aki az en dednagyapam volt.		2006/04/28, 21:01:38 #: 2006041548 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	MPB: Re: Translate? Translation of the above. Asztalnok Ambrus was the brother of Asztalnok Sándor who was my greatgrandfather.		2006/04/29, 04:30:27 #: 2006041574 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Thank you! MPB, Thank you very much for translating that message for me. It seems like I have found my cousin! Now if only I had his email address.		2006/04/29, 15:19:46 #: 2006041599 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ASZTALNOK ATTILA: Re: Thank you! Tisztelt rick057 Az en nevem Asztalnok Attila. Az en dednagyapam Asztalnok Sandor,testvere volt Asztalnok Ambrusnak. Az email cimem asztalnokattila -k-u-k-a-c- rdslink -p-o-n-t- ro		2006/05/06, 22:38:44 #: 200605297 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ASZTALNOK ATTILA: Re: Thank you! YOUR EMAIL ADDRES asztalnokattila -k-u-k-a-c- rdslink -p-o-n-t- ro THANK YOU		2006/05/06, 22:48:45 #: 200605298 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Asztalnok Attila: Re: Thank you! Tisztelt uram nagyon sajnalom de angol nyelven nagyon keveset ertek. Szeretnem ha kerdezne hogy mi erdekelne itenrol. Nekem van egy ismerosom aki a kovetkezo cimen lakik,, JUDIT DERKOVITS 7460W PRICE BLVD. NORTH PORT,FL 34286-4122 A TELEFON SZAMA 0019414262988. AZ EMAIL CIMUKET SAJNOS NEM TUDOM. REMELEM OK LE FORDITNAK A KERDESEIT A SZAMOMRA,TESENEK KERNI ,, MOTHER KATIKA,,		2006/05/14, 11:51:38 #: 200605607 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	kezdi: Re: Thank you! ricka057, Asztalnok Attila writes to you, that since doesn't know English much, perhaps you could write, or call his friend for translation: JUDIT DERKOVITS 7460W PRICE BLVD. NORTH PORT,FL 34286-4122 Phone: 00-1-941-426-2988 Ask for Mother Katika An other misspell from EI: Date of Arrival: Nov 09, 1907 0008.Azstaluok, Istvan M 17y S Hungary, Magyar, Amacz, Hungary Fathers name in Amacz: Asztalnok Sámuel (in Hung. name order) Joseph		2006/05/14, 17:35:51 #: 200605628 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Thank you! Joseph, Thank nyou very much for translating that for me. -Rick		2006/05/14, 20:58:19 #: 200605633 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	andrea: Re: Asztalnok Family My name is also asztalnok, if you are still interested, maybe I could provide you with some information.		2008/03/11, 21:26:31 #: 200803744 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Jan: Re: Asztalnok Family Andrea, En is Asztalnok vagyok. Edesapam Asztalok Geza 1893be szuletett Amacz, Szatmar Megyebe. 1913be koltozott Amerikaba. Nagyapam Asztalnok Sandor - felesege Vekony Klara volt. Tudom nincs sok Asztalnok nevuek.		2008/03/12, 01:07:15 #: 200803753 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	andrea: Re: Asztalnok Family Az en nagyapam 1905ben szuletett Amac, Szatmar megyeben aki meghalt 1986ban. Nagymamam, Asztalnok Margit 95eves, o az egyetlen aki meg tud valamit azokrol az idokrol. Jan, on hol el?		2008/03/12, 13:48:00 #: 200803779 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Jan: Re: Asztalnok Family En Amerika, Ohio allamba elek. Mi volt a nagyapad neve? Arrol vagyok kivancsi, voltak e testverek az en nagyapamnak? Mi volt a dedszulleim nevuk? Kik voltak az nagyapam csaladjaba? Van nekem oreg levelek es van egy (kezel volt irva) verskonyv aki "irta Asztalnok Ferenc szuletett 2 Feb 1875" - ki volt Ferenc hogy az edesapam meg tartotta ezt az irast ennyi ideig?		2008/03/12, 14:34:55 #: 200803780 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	andrea: Re: Asztalnok Family En most nem tudok minden kerdesre valaszolni, esetleg ha beszelek nagymamamal (nem lakunk ugyanabban a varosban). Nagyapam neve Asztalnok Lajos, azt tudom hogy volt lanytestvere, Asztalnok Erzsebet. A nagyapamnak az apja Asztalnok Daniel volt, s az anya Asztalnok Erzsebet. Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik. Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!		2008/03/12, 18:17:38 #: 200803793 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Asztalnok Family Thank you so much for responding, I have been researching my family for the last few years. My great grandfather came from Szatmar, are you, or your family originally from the area? Can you email me and I will send you information on my family to see if there is a family connection? Thank you, Rick		2008/03/13, 02:00:09 #: 200803815 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Andrea: Re: Asztalnok Family I could email you if I had yor email address.		2008/03/14, 09:23:29 #: 200803872 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Asztalnok Family Sorry about that, ricka057 -k-u-k-a-c- bellsouth -p-o-n-t- net		2008/03/14, 23:27:57 #: 200803898 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Jan: Re: Asztalnok Family Andrea, irtom a cimedhoz de vissza jott mert nem jo a cim ami van a mult profilebe.		2008/03/15, 04:47:38 #: 200803906 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Asztalnok Family Hi Andrea, I wanted to touch base with you to see if you could send me an email or perhaps give me your email address so I could write you? Rick		2008/03/20, 00:18:50 #: 2008031201 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ANDREA: Re: Asztalnok Family I don't know yoar email address but mine is the following: andreaasztalnok -k-u-k-a-c- yahoo -p-o-n-t- com		2008/03/20, 15:05:29 #: 2008031232 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Gábor Asztalnok: Asztalnok-ék :) Nagyon örülök neki, hogy ennyi rokonra talált Rick... A saját kutatásaink szerint minden Asztalnok szegröl-végröl rokon kell legyen. Ugyanis az Asztalnokok régen a királyi udvarban szolgáló élemiszer-megbízottak voltak, akik feleltek a minöségért, mérgezettségért, stb. Mivel csak 1 ember tölthette be ezt a pozíciót, ezért az összes Asztalnok azonos ágról ered!!! Ez tény!!! Tehát az összes Asztalnokot üdvözlöm, és sok-sok örömöt kívánok az életben, bárhová is sodort titeket a szél! Ha kapcsolatba akartok kerülni akár velünk is, mi Magyarországon élünk (szüleim), illetve én és a növérem Münchenben (Németország). Üdvözlettel: Asztalnok Gábor		2008/03/20, 19:10:19 #: 2008031257 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Kosa Sandor: Re: Asztalnok-ék :) Kedves Gabor, amit irtal az reszben igaz, ne feledd, hogy az Asztalnoki tisztseget tobbnyire nemesseggel jart (az, hogy a magyar kiralyi udvarokban ki mi keppen jutott nemesseghez az mas lapra tartozik), viszont ne feledd, hogy az asztalnoki tisztet az idok folyaman nem egy cslad leszarmazottai toltottek be, minden uralkodo hozta a maga haza nepet ... Kellemes Husveti Unnepeket kivanok minden Asztalnok-nak es leszarmazottaiknak Udvozlettel, Kosa Sandor		2008/03/21, 06:48:08 #: 2008031276 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Kosa Sandor: Re: Asztalnok-ék :) Kedves Gabor, amit irtal az reszben igaz, ne feledd, hogy az Asztalnoki tisztseget tobbnyire nemesseggel jart (az, hogy a magyar kiralyi udvarokban ki mi keppen jutott nemesseghez az mas lapra tartozik), viszont ne feledd, hogy az asztalnoki tisztet az idok folyaman nem egy cslad leszarmazottai toltottek be, minden uralkodo hozta a maga haza nepet ... Kellemes Husveti Unnepeket kivanok minden Asztalnok-nak es leszarmazottaiknak Udvozlettel, Kosa Sandor		2008/03/21, 06:48:44 #: 2008031277 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	suterft: Re: Asztalnok-ék :) Üdvözlök mindenkit. Asztalnok Tibor vagyok.Szatmárnémeti megyében Pálfalván születtem, most Magyarországon lakom. Édesapám Asztalnok János autóbalesetben elhunyt, nagyapám Asztalnok Sándor. Édesapámnak hét testvére született kettőt, az édestestvéreit közelről ismerem a mostohákat sajnos nem. Amennyiben olvassák ezt a fórumot jó lenne ha jelentkeznének. My name is Tibor Asztalnok. I was born in Szatmánemeti(Satu-Mare) in Palfalva, now i live in Hungary. My fathers name was Janos Asztalnok and my grandfather name was Sandor(Alexandru) Asztalnok. I do not know all of my fathers sisters and brothers just two sister. If anyone is reading this forum please contact me.		2009/01/07, 11:08:22 #: 200901615 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ricka057: Re: Asztalnok-ék :) Tibor, I sent you an email did you receive it? My grandfather Asztalnok came from Satu Mare. Rick		2009/01/10, 00:00:06 #: 200901818 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

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