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Ken Forbes: Johann Bogár (1880-1917)
My great-grandmother, Theresa Krecsmár-Bogár (1883-1954), indicated that she hailed from "Washmay," Austria-Hungary on her SSN application. The embassy in Budapest says that may be a phonetic spelling of "Vas Meyge." Johann and Theresa apparently came to the USA about the year 1906.

Great-grandmother married a fellow named Johann Bogár (1880-1917). In the same New Jersey neighborhood where she lived, was a man named Stephen Bogár (1883-1966). I suspect he was Johann's brother, and he hailed from Ottoháza, Vas Megye, Hungary, which is now Otovci, Puconci, Slovenia. Stephen Bogár married a gal named Gisela. That was also my grandmother's name.

I'm looking for additional information and kinfolk connections.

JOHANN'S PARENTS: Gyergy Bogár married Zsuzsa 'Daisy' Kovács

THERESA'S PARENTS: John Krecsmár / Kreczmár married Catherine Lipics / Lipech

JOHANN'S BROTHER??: Stephen Bogár married Gisela

I guess they could also be from the town of Vasmegyer in Szabolcs county, Hungary.
2004/12/26, 07:01:26
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Zlatica : Re: Johann Bogár (1880-1917)
Ken

I would agree that Washmay might be a phonetic spelling of Vas megye. An old 1910 megye map is at :
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910
Do you know what language your ancestor spoke?
The LDS-Mormons have filmed the church records of a town Vasmegyer, Hungary so you can request those films and see if your ancestors birth is noted there.
Was your ancestor naturalized citizen? Check also into Alien Registration Form G639.
www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator
http://slovenia.ijp.si
http://www2.arnes.si/~rztopl/rod/rod.htm

2004/12/26, 07:24:06
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Ken Forbes: Janos Bajor Laraspdek???
Thank you for the help.

This is what my uncle has to say as far as their language is concerned. I don't know if it helps much.

-- "Speaking about Austria, my Grandmother came from Austria/Hungary. Her first language was Hungarian and Austrian was second - English came in as a poor third. I had to understand German (Austrian) and Hungarian when I visited her as a kid." --

ME? Tessie died in 1954. I was born in 1955. I never knew my great-grandparents.

Theresa was naturalized in either 1906 or 1916. There's a smudge where the "0" or "1" should be.

I did go back and read Stephen Bogar's SSN application (135-07-3223). He lived at 83 Lang Street, Newark in 1936. This is just a few blocks away from my great-grandmother's place at 79 Van Buren Street. Stephen reported his place of birth was Otovci, Jugo-Slavia. His parents were Gyergy Bogar and Zsuzsa Kovacs. I've associated (guess) this Ellis Island Record with him:

Bogar, Stefan
Magyar Hungarian
Otohasa, Hungary
April 19, 1913
30y
M
M
Vaderland
Antwerp, Belgium

Johann's death certificate shows Bojar and Bogar as his surname. His father's birthplace and name were "unknown" on the cert., but his mother is shown as "Daisy" born in "Hungary."

Theresa shows her name as "Tessie Kirchmeyer" on her SSN app. It also shows "Washmay, Hungary" as the place of birth. [No doubt this is because the record taker was phonetically spelling her answers] Her son recorded "Kercmar" as her maiden name on her death cert., along with "Austria-Hungary" as the place of birth. My mother tells me that her maiden name was "Kreczmar." My uncle also recorded "Kreczmar" on her death cert. A Hungarian national tells me it may have been spelled "Krecsmár."

Perhaps, associating Stephen Bogar with my Bogars is premature.

THe best match, so far, for Johann Bajor is as follows:

First Name: Janos
Last Name: Bajor
Ethnicity: Hungary
Last Place of Residence: Laraspdek
Date of Arrival: December 07, 1906
Age at Arrival: 25y
Gender: M
Marital Status: M
Ship of Travel: Graf Waldersee
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Manifest Line Number: 0006


There are two Janos Bogars who come close to mine, but their DOB is off by a few years:

Bogar, Janos
Hungary, Slovak
Te...Vakarvar, Hungary
September 03, 1907
24y
M
M
Ultonia
Carnaro, Triest, Austria


Bogar, Janos
Hungary, Magyar
Ottohaza, Hungary
February 20, 1911
28y
M
M
Lapland
Antwerp, Belgium
2004/12/27, 00:51:09
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Zlatica : Re: Janos Bajor Laraspdek???
Ken

So than your ancestor's first language was Magyar / Hungarian.
Surname KIRCHMEYER is German.
www.genealogienetz.de/reg
A map of Austria-Hungary :
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/austhung.htm
Do you have your ancestor's naturalization certificate or her petition? The naturalization petition would have her port of entry and her place of birth.
Janos Bajor arr. in 1906 was from Sarospatak.
Janos Bogar arr. in 1907 was from ? Vukovar which could be Temesvukovar in Temes megye, Romania.
How unfortunate that One Step / Gray Form www.stevemorse.org website is not working. It would be so much easier to locate surnames/people coming thru Ellis Island from a certain village.
2004/12/27, 02:34:50
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kezdi: Re: Johann Bogár (1880-1917)
Ken,
I left you a message for you at Genforum about Theresa:

First Name: Terez
Last Name: Kertsmar
Ethnicity: Hungary, Croatian
Last Place of Residence: Tolgzes
Date of Arrival: March 25, 1906
Age at Arrival: 22y Gender: F Marital Status: S
Ship of Travel: Pretoria
Port of Departure: Hamburg
Manifest Line Number: 0025
2004/12/27, 05:41:33
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bogartelki
én Bogártelki Gábor vagyok Isaszegröl
2005/06/08, 10:25:43
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bogár
A dédanyám Bogár Katalin volt és Nagykanizsán élt, aztán Bajára költözött.
2005/10/07, 15:23:05
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jjaspernc
Andras BOGAR, born 1894, Nagykulcs, Szatmar, is my Great Grand Uncle. He is the son of Gyorgy BOGAR and Zsuzanna KANALOS.
Andras married Maria GASPAR in 1918 in Udvari, Szatmar. Shortly thereafter, Szatmar became part of Romania, now known as Satu-Mare.

Can anyone connect to this BOGAR line of Szatmar?

Jerry
2006/01/07, 21:19:12
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Eszter: Bogár család
Engem Bogár Eszternek hívnak.
Az apukámat és a papámat Bogár Pálnak.
A papámnak két testvére volt Bogár István és László.
Akik úgy gondolják rokonok lehetnek írjanak!!
2006/02/01, 18:16:28
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Eszter: Bogár család
Engem Bogár Eszternek hívnak,apukámat Bogár pálnak.
Nagypapámat szintén így,neki két testvére volt Bogár László és István.Ők mindhárman Tésen születtek. Ha valaki úgy gondolja hogy rokon lehet,akkor írjon!
2006/02/01, 18:20:11
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bogar
hello, i am researching my grandmothers family history and i cannot find out anything about it. i was wondering if anyone would be able to help me with this. her name was magdalena bolcsfoldy maiden name bogar. her parent were janos bogar and rozallia bogar maiden name kiss. they were from budapest hungary. or if anyone can help direct me in the right direction that would be great.
2007/04/02, 00:40:13
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Zlatica : Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
bogar

The LDS-Mormons have filmed the church records but as I understand you need to know a precise district.
You have a paper document that they were from Budapest?
How about BOLCSFALDI instead of Bolcsfoldy?
2007/04/02, 01:28:30
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Zlatica : Bolcsfaldi
bogar

BOLCSFALDI Istvan from Gyonk
BALCSFALDI Jozsep from Gjaick (Gyonk on the manifest)
BOLESFOLD Zsigmond from Gyon... (could be Gyonk)Wrong manifest comes up and I did not look for the correct one.
BOCSFOLDI Franz from Zsatar?
302 people from Gyonk thru Ellis Island.
www.stevemorse.org
Town of Gyonk is in Tolna megye, Hungary.
www.gyonk.hu
www.surnamenavigator.org BOLCSFOLDI
2007/04/02, 03:04:41
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bownessgirl: Re: Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
all i know is what my grandmother told me where she was from and she said budapest. but she was born in zalagerzeg i dont know if i slept that right. my grandmothers maiden name was bogar my grandfathers lastname was bolcsfoldy. and i know that is how it is spelt because that was my maiden name before i got married. unless there is a different way to spell it in hungarian.
2007/04/03, 21:58:01
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Zlatica : Re: Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
So then Budapest is the place for your research.
Check the LDS-Mormons site for church records of Zalaegerszeg being that your grandmother was born there.
Hungary's phone book www.magyartelekom.hu/fooldal.vm
2007/04/03, 23:09:07
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bownessgirl: Re: Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
thank-you for your help it is greatly apperciated. do you know if the listings are in hungarian or english? as i can only speak hungarian not read or write it
2007/04/03, 23:14:31
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Zlatica : Re: Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
Your welcome.
If Roman Catholic than the records should be in Latin with Hungarian, of course.
Here is a site for church wording: www.bmi.net/jjaso
A first name translation website:
http://topolcsanyi.alphalink.com.au/names

Good thing I looked again. I was not yet notified about your reply.
2007/04/03, 23:19:40
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bownessgirl: Re: Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
what was the website for the lsd? sorry to keep bothering you like this. i hope i am not being a pest. did you say your lastname is bogar?
2007/04/03, 23:24:38
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Zlatica : Re: Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
No relation to your ancestral surnames. I just like to help.
Check out http://genforum.com and www.ancestry.com/community for other researching your surname or to post a query.
www.familysearch.org/Eng/Library/FHLC/frameset_fhlc.asp
click n Place Search and type a name of a town.
2007/04/03, 23:29:05
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bownessgirl: Re: Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
thank-you for youe help. if i need anymore info in the future can i come ask you some more questions? i was just wondering if your lastname was bogar cause my grandmothers fathers name was janos bogar and i thought i seen that on one of your messages. again thanks for your help and sorry for bugging you so much
2007/04/03, 23:32:02
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bownessgirl: Re: Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
sorry i have one more question do you know of any online hungarian translators that can help me write a letter in hungarian?
2007/04/03, 23:45:47
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Zlatica : Re: Bogar, Bolcsfoldy, Kiss
No problem. Try Ancestry Hungary board. I am sure that Lajos or the other regulars might be able to help you with a translation. Off hand, do not know of any online Hungarian translators.
2007/04/04, 00:01:24
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Zoltan Bugar: Bogar
Dear all!

Please visit the website of the Bugar/Bogar Family:

www.bugar.webnode.sk

I will prepare an english version later, but now You can find useful information in Hungarian.

Coats of Arms, Genealogy Trees, Nobility letters, Family History and much more!

Please fill out our GENEALOGY FORM and visit us on FACEBOOK - Familia Bugar
2009/12/30, 18:01:18
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badaoji: Nóra
Sziasztok,
Én Bogár Nóra vagyok.
Dunaújvárosban születtem, itt is élek jelenleg.
Édesapám Bogár József, az apukája (aki sajnos már nincs köztünk) szintén József volt. Nagymamám Sarkantyú Mária volt. Ők Pincehelyen éltek, majd életük pár évét már szintén Dunaújvárosban töltötték.
Jó kis fórum ez. ;)
2010/01/08, 16:37:06
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viri: Re: Sarkantyú
Kedves Nóra!
Az én nagyanyámat is Sarkantyú Máriának hívták. Egy ideig ő is épp Pincehelyen lakott. Egyébként a nagyszülei éltek ott.
2011/04/29, 00:07:28
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KOVACS ATTILA: Re: Johann Bogár (1880-1917)
2011/10/17, 23:54:10
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