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	Margit: Bölcskey.Bölcskei According to family legend they originated from the Bicske (Fehér Megye) area. To date no documentary evidence to support this has been found. The marriage record of Bölcskei János and Szabó Therezia, dated 30 July 1876 in Belatinc (Zala Megye), now Beltinci, Slovenia, shows their ages as 24 and 21 respectively. Adony (Fejér Megye) listed as his place of birth, reformed faith (Református). She was from Rédics and Roman Catholic. No names of parents on the record. A search for the birth record of Bölcskei János has proved inconclusive. Of 8 children born between 1876 and 1894 János, István, Therezia and Győző are thought to have survived to adulthood. There may have been other children born after 1895. Recent generations have reverted to the Bölcskey spelling. Responses in English, Hungarian or German welcome.		2004/04/12, 09:27:53 #: 200404214 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Bölcskey: Csalad fa Elnezesd, de Angolul folytatom: Bolcskey Bela was my grandfather. He was born in Kislippo / Lipovicza, Baranya megye. I was able to find the cemetery in Kislippo and found some relatives (Arros Irma and her son Ferenc who died in his 20's). In Villany, I got his birth record and discovered Bela's mother was Arros Anna from Zabola, Haromszek, Erdely. Bela's father was Mihaly from Bezdan, I believe, just across the new Croatian border. He moved to Budapest after WWI with his wife Maria (Czvasko) where my mother, Zsuzsa, was born. I have family (Virag) in Sumeg, Tapolca, and Nagykanizsa.		2004/08/09, 20:37:15 #: 200408176 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: Csalad fa Do you have any further information on Bölcskey Mihály? Was he born in Bezdán or did he come from elsewhere? The name appears in the Roman Catholic records of Adony (Fejér) in the mid 1800s. There appear to be Bölcskey families in various parts of Hungary, although it is an uncommon name.		2004/08/11, 00:58:32 #: 200408212 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Bölcskey: Re: Csalad fa Szia Margit! I will send a copy of this to a good friend and potential cousin in Hungary on this. Interestingly, his name is Bolcskey Mihaly too! Yes, as far as I know he was born on the "Croatian" side of Bezdan. I can't remember the exact name. He was married to Arros Irma who died along with a son Ferenc. They are buried in Kislippo / Lipovicza where the family had some kind of shop (Singer sewing machnes?). I visited there and found the house and store which have been converted into duplexes. The horse stalls are still there as are the well and grainery. When I saw the graves, I noticed that his wife Arros Irma died before my grandfather was born. I assumed he re-married after Irma died to her sister Arros Anna. My grandfather was born in Kislippo. Records are now kept in Villany I think. Supposedly, grandfather Bela had a brother in a Budapest suburb (I think he was Mihaly too). The story I was told is that Nagypapa went nback to his brother as he was very sick. He wanted to receoiver the "kutyabor" or Noble decree. But his brother died before he got there; the apartment was ransacked and all was gone. My grandmother (Czvasko Maria) was born in Sumeg and had a sister named Erzsebet. And yes, the Roman Catholic part makes sense. Unfortunately, that's as much as I know. THANK you for contacting me.. PLEASE do send whatever information you have. Thanks, Bryan		2004/08/11, 16:53:30 #: 200408223 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: Csalad fa Hello Bryan! We corresponded once 4 years ago. Unfortunately I am no further in my research as there is just not enough information to work on. I am still looking for the Adony and Bicske connection. I would like to correspond with you off-line. Is your Email address still vissza-at-yahoo-dot-com ?		2004/08/14, 07:56:36 #: 200408274 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: Csalad fa Hello again Bryan. It is interesting that you are in contact with another Bölcskey. Perhaps if we all compared our information we might find a connection. Family legend also claims noble ancestry. I can provide more detailed information if we correspond privately. Is the address in the previous post still valid or can you provide another one?		2004/08/19, 00:14:24 #: 200408364 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: Csalad fa Hello again Bryan. It is interesting that you are in contact with another Bölcskey. Perhaps if we all compared our information we might find a connection. Family legend also claims noble ancestry. I can provide more detailed information if we correspond privately. Is the address in the previous post still valid or can you provide another one?		2004/08/19, 00:15:10 #: 200408365 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: Csalad fa Hello again Bryan. It is interesting that you are in contact with another Bölcskey. Perhaps if we all compared our information we might find a connection. Family legend also claims noble ancestry. I can provide more detailed information if we correspond privately. Is the address in the previous post still valid or can you provide another one?		2004/08/19, 00:15:50 #: 200408366 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Bölcskey: Re: Csalad fa Szia Margit: Yes, vissza-at-yahoo-dot-com or preferably, my company address: bryan-dot-dawson-at-webenetics-dot-com		2004/08/19, 03:26:34 #: 200408374 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	kovacsp: bölcskey rozália One of my ancestor was called Bölcskey Rozália and she lived in county Baranya after marriage. Egerág or Szökéd was the name of the village. If anyone know about her anything, feel free to contact me on this email: kovacspeter_2000 -k-u-k-a-c- freemail -p-o-n-t- hu, thanks!		2004/12/26, 20:04:43 #: 200412754 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: bölcskey rozália Have sent a reply to your private E-mail address. Am very interested to know more about her origins.		2004/12/27, 00:32:03 #: 200412760 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	kovacsp: Re: bölcskey rozália Dear Margit, Bryan and Mike, Thanks for your replies. The name 'Bölcskey Rozália' came up at Christmas time, when my family came together and my uncle mentioned her. He was also telling that the origin of Bölcskeys dates back to the 1200s years. They were nobles and among the first taxpayers. Maybe that's not new information for you... Actually, my father has some papers from the early 1900s and i was just talking to him by the phone. He said that actually 'Bölcskei Júlia' was the straigthline ancestor. The notary wrote her name with 'i' at the and, not 'y', but I guess thats the same.. This paper records a loan. I dont have the papers in my hand, but I will soon, because I ask my father to send me. Also, there is the name of the village: 'Egereagh', which is written as Egerág' these days. It's in county Baranya.		2005/01/04, 00:37:59 #: 200501110 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: bölcskey rozália Peter, please let us know when you have more information about your Bölcskey ancestors. Can you also tell us more about the early history of the Bölcskeys and where they originated from? We all have family legends about noble ancestry but would like to be able to refer to some documentary evidence and learn who they were. Do you know where we can find more information?		2005/01/09, 09:09:26 #: 200501329 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	vink: help to read some names Please can you read and write again the hand writing names for me, on this certificat? Are they hungarian Thank in advance ! Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik. Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!		2005/01/09, 09:23:37 #: 200501330 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	vink: Sorry Sorry sir! I have just seen now that I have sent my message on your chat ! excuse me please!		2005/01/09, 11:32:51 #: 200501333 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	kovacsp: Re: bölcskey rozália Dear Margit, Take a look at here please: http://www.ccflash.hu/bolcskey/ Thats how far I could reach for the first try. As time passes, I may be able to fill out more data on the tree, but if you or someone else could add some information, I would really appreciate that. Peter		2005/01/13, 11:16:02 #: 200501468 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: bölcskey rozália Peter, I looked at the information you referred me to. The only dates are dates of death. Do you have any dates and places of birth? The name Mihály occurs in all our families. Greatgrandfather Bölcskei János was born approximately 1851 in Adony, Fejér Megye. He was Református but his birth may have been recorded in the Roman Catholic Anyakönyvek of Adony. I found a birth record for a Református child named János with the family name misspelled as Böcskei. The parents were recorded as Böcskei István and Csákvári Juditha from Göböljárás. I could not find any Bölcskei entries in the Református records of Iváncsa which is where people of that faith went in the Adony area. The Roman Catholic Anyakönyvek also contained birth and death records between 1841 - 1847 for the children of fathers named Mihály and János, with the family name sometimes spelled Bölcskei/y or Böcskei. These spelling errors occurred frequently. The places of resdidence listed were Csongrád,Szabolcs and Adony. Does any of this appear familiar to you?		2005/01/14, 07:58:06 #: 200501506 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	kovacsp: Re: bölcskey rozália Dear Margit and Bryan, I have got some further information about my Bölcskei ancestors. They lived in Egerág, which is a small village, south of Pécs and around 20km north of Villány. I found an information book on Egerág. There were several censuses on local families. I start it from very early and just write those, whose name were Bölcskei or somewhat similar (possible mistypings). These lists contain only the head of the families who paid taxes at that time. 1695. there were no such family we are looking for 1713. Böcskei Ferko 1730. Bocskai Mihál (it should be a mistyping, because of the continuity) 1822. Böltskei Máté, Böltskei Miska, Böltskei Mati Péter ----------------------- In 1892, they gathered the name of those who were obligated to attend school. István, János (father: Bölcskei János) Roza (father: Bölcskei József) István (father: Bölcskei István) István, Kati (father: Bölcskei György) Juli (father: Bölcskei Mihály) János (father: Bölcskei Péter) --------------------- plus one more interesting fact about a Bölcskei, what I put here in Hungarian: "Bölcskei János, községi bíró (szül: 1888, Egerág) 1914: 52. gyalogezred, az orosz és szerb fronton harcolt és 1918-ban szerelt le. A kisezüst, bronz vitézi érem tulajdonosa. 35 hold birtokán nagy állatállománya van, 3 évig községi képviselőtestületi tag és községi esküdt volt, 1932 óta községi bíró. A kisgazdapárt tagja. Felesége: Kisdelli Rozália, lánya: Juliska"		2005/02/13, 19:57:01 #: 200502538 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: bölcskey rozália Peter, your information is very intersting. At present I do not recognize a connection between us. There could however be a connection with Bryan as his ancestors came from Villány in Baranya county. Please keep us informed of any new discoveries.		2005/02/14, 21:32:22 #: 200502577 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	mikeyszaf: Re: Csalad fa i also have relatives living in sumeg		2005/07/20, 12:07:59 #: 200507793 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	mikeyszaf: Re: Csalad fa i also have relatives living in sumeg		2005/07/20, 12:09:07 #: 200507794 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Erwin: Re: bölcskey just some "Bölcskey" data from "Borovszky Samu: Magyarország vármegyéi és városai" - Dara, (Szamosdara) Szathmar county, beginning of the XVIII (co-)owned by the Bölcskey family - in the 1842 nobility lists of Gyor county: Bölcskey László, (Rétalap puszta), Gábor, (Bőnyrétalap puszta) from "Kempelen Béla: Magyar nemes családok" - B. János mentioned 1720, in Békés county from "Nagy Ivan: Magyarország családai" - 1724 Bölcskey Péter is a juror in Abauj/Zemplen county good luck! Ervin		2005/07/20, 13:35:41 #: 200507809 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	kezdi: Re: bölcskey rozália Kedves Kovacsp. Olvasva Egerag irasat, eszembe jutott n.mamam nagyapja Vagner Janos, uradalmi ispan. Fia Zsigmond Gusztav Antal R.Kat. keresztlevele Egeragon kelt 1834 feb.4-en, anyja neve Pritzelmajer Terez, Uszogh puszta, keresztszulok Pucher Jozsef es Pritzelmajer Anna. Ha esetleg a nevukkel osszefut, vagy tudja hol lehetett ispan Egerag kornyeken, ha megkerhetem irja meg itt, vagy a cimemre: kupan -k-u-k-a-c- netzero -p-o-n-t- net Elore is koszonom. Kupan Laszlo		2005/07/20, 15:14:53 #: 200507811 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: bölcskey Ervin, Thank you for the Bölcskey data. So far I had only found the mention in Kempelen Béla's "Magyar nemes családok" and Nagy Iván's "Magyarország Családai", so the extra information is welcome. Did you find it in the Arcanum database? Any suggestions where else to look for more information? Your help is most appreciated.		2005/07/21, 07:10:35 #: 200507834 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Erwin: Re: bölcskey Liebe Margit, sorry, habe in meiner Antwort eine Frage aus einer anderen Liste durcheinander gebracht und "James" geantwortet ;-( Ich hoffe, meine Antwort erscheint noch -wenn nicht, schicke ich's noch einmal-, jedenfalls hier noch als Ergänzung eine weitere, englischsprachige Liste, die auch hilfreich sein kann: AUSTRO-HUNGARIAN-NOBILITY-admin -at- rootsweb -dot- com. Gruss, Erwin		2005/07/21, 10:45:37 #: 200507837 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Margit: Re: bölcskey Hallo Erwin, Ich danke Ihre Hilfe. Werde bei Rootsweb weiter suchen.		2005/07/23, 07:22:46 #: 200507943 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Tolnai Gábor: Re: bölcskey rozália "Bölcskei János, községi bíró (szül: 1888, Egerág) 1914: 52. gyalogezred, az orosz és szerb fronton harcolt és 1918-ban szerelt le. A kisezüst, bronz vitézi érem tulajdonosa. 35 hold birtokán nagy állatállománya van, 3 évig községi képviselőtestületi tag és községi esküdt volt, 1932 óta községi bíró. A kisgazdapárt tagja. Felesége: Kisdelli Rozália, lánya: Juliska" Nos, én ennek a Bölcskei Jánosnak vagyok az ükunokája, Bölcskei Rozália az ükanyám, Bölcskei Júlia a dédanyám volt(2004 májusában, 91 évesen hunyt el). B. J. egyetlen gyermeke Ilona (1934-), ő a nagyanyám. Az egész család Egerágon élt, él és született, én már Pécsett. üdv, tg ui: Boldog új évet mindenkinek!		2007/01/02, 17:59:48 #: 20070165 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

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