| czigor: Re: CZOVEK | > >Why would an individual assume an alias ??
> I think that Mr Czovek becoming a nobleman did not want to keep the name
> Czovek (it sounds like a poor man's name; I assume you know it means peg),
> so he changed it. To be accurate: the mentioned paper granting nobility
sais
> only Ioannis Philip without alias Czovek. There is another document about
a
> lawsuit (in latin, but is translated to Hungarian). The first part of this
> document deals with the question wether Philip and Czovek are the same
> persons. (The conclusion, based on witnesses and documents is that they
> are.)
>
> >What were the economic ,social conditions existing at that time ?
> What I know is only what I learnt in secondary school. That is: Until 1848
> nobleman did not have to pay taxes. They had a lot of other privileges
too.
> These I think were changing all the time, but things like right to vote or
> to move. The non-nobles were either peasants or burghers. To the latter
> belonged the habitants of the cities of the great plain. In Zemplen there
> were no great cities. Even today it is the most left-behind part of the
> country.
> As far as I know this Matthias II was not a very significant king, I do
not
> know much about him. I believe he was a Habsburg. The Habsburgs (at least
> later, in the 18th century) had the policy that Hungary should not be
> industrially developed, and tried to supress industry with all kinds of
> taxes. They meant Hungary to be the agricultural part of the empire and
> Austria the industrial.
> About the political part (that you have not asked but that's the story I
> know most about): from the 17th century on the Habsburgs were the kings
over
> Hungary (at least over the part that did not belong to the Turks).
> Hungarians did not like them so they organized an uprising each century.
> (All of them were broken down.)
>
> >Is anyone else researching this family
> One of my cousins did research our family. He traced down the ancestors
back
> to 1700. All of them lived in Gyomro, a village near Budapest. He was also
> trying to find connections with this Philip but he could not, because the
> records before 1700 were destroyed. This cousin of mine has died since,
and
> he could not start the investigations from the Zemplen end of the story.
>
> "Unfortunately" Czovek is not a very rare name. I do not know any other
> Czoveks apart from my family personally, but quite often I see the name.
>
> How long back have you traced down your ancestors? Are they all from that
> village (what was its name)?
>
> Regards
> Andras
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