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lubo

Je tu na tomto webe Ohlschläger/Olschläger/Olschleger, ak áno, láskavo, nech sa ozve
Is there any Ohlschläger/Olschläger/Olschleger, if yes kindly let me know

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Bob.O: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

My great-grandfather Casper Oelschlager left Schwedler in 1889 and came to Pittsburgh in the United States. 20 other people from Schwedler later followed him. There is now a large Oelschlager family in the US with origins from Schwedler. I have details that I can share. We lost contact with the Schwedler branch of the family many many years ago.

2005/03/16, 13:04:07
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Zlatica : Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Bob

Two phone listings for OELSCHLAGER (umlauts on A)in Slovak Republic's phone book with both being in the Spis area but none in Svedlar. http://mapy.atlas.sk
www.zoznamst.sk

2005/03/16, 15:15:28
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Bob.O: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

I am the grandson of Franz Ölschläger and Mary Brettschneider, both born in Švedlár. I am a descendant of the Heinz, Theis, Ordelt, Patz, Klein and Eger families of Švedlár; and am related by marriage to the Krieger, Lovi and Schemnitzer families of Švedlár. Here is a brief genealogy of Švedlár immigrants to Pittsburgh, 1889-1905:

Casper Ölschläger, born January 1841 in Švedlár, married in Švedlár in 1870 Dorothea Heinz, born January 6, 1851 in Švedlár. Casper came to Pittsburgh in 1889 and found work in the steel mills; his wife and children followed in 1892.

Michael Brettschneider; born April 6, 1863 in Švedlár, was the son of Jan Brettschneider and Zuzana Ordelt. Michael was a coal miner in Švedlár who followed Casper Ölschläger to Pittsburgh in 1890 and found work in the coal mines. Michael married on November 22, 1886 in Švedlár Marie Theis, born December 15, 1863, daughter of Samuel Theis and Anna Marie Patz. Samuel Theis was the son of Benjamin Theis and Dorota Eger of Švedlár; Samuel Theis married Anna Marie Patz on February 2, 1863. Anna Marie Patz was the daughter of Benjamin Patz and Anna Marie Klein of Švedlár. Marie Theis Brettschneider followed her husband Michael Brettschneider to Pittsburgh in 1892 with their daughter Mary.

Dori Ölschläger, daughter of Casper Ölschläger and Dorothea Heinz, was born in 1876 in Švedlár and came to Pittsburgh in 1892 with her mother. She married on October 7, 1894 in Pittsburgh John Krieger of Švedlár. John Krieger was born in Švedlár on September 5, 1872; the son of Gottfried Krieger and Susannah Lovi. Both John and Gottfried Krieger were coal miners in Švedlár. John Krieger came to Pittsburgh in 1892 and worked first as a coal miner and then later as a teamster driving a beer wagon.

Franz Ölschläger, son of Casper Ölschläger and Dorothea Heinz, was born on April 2, 1878 in Švedlár and came to Pittsburgh in 1892 with his mother. He married in Pittsburgh on February 26, 1905 Mary Brettschneider of Švedlár. Mary Brettschneider was born on February 01, 1888 in Švedlár, daughter of Michael Brettschneider and Marie Theis; and came to Pittsburgh with her mother in 1892. Frank Oelschlager worked in the steel mills.

Dora Theis, sister of Marie Theis and daughter of Samuel Theis and Anna Marie Patz, was born in 1869 in Švedlár. She married in Schwedler in 1891 John Schemnitzer, born in 1865 in Švedlár, where he worked as a coal miner. John Schemnitzer came to Pittsburgh in 1901 and again found work as a coal miner. His wife Dora followed him with their daughter Susan Julia Schemnitzer in 1903.

Charlie Schemnitzer, older brother of John Schemnitzer, was born in Švedlár in 1863 and came to Pittsburgh in 1900. He married in 1905 Rose from Švedlár; I do not know her surname. He was a coal miner in Švedlár and in Pittsburgh.

Two nephews from Švedlár of Dorothea Heinz, Frank Heinz and Mike Heinz, also came to Pittsburgh. They were born in 1880 and 1889 in Švedlár and came to Pittsburgh in 1904 and 1905. Frank Heinz married Emma Scholtz of Švedlár and they ran the Heinz Bakery on Main St. in the town of Washington, Pennsylvania near Pittsburgh.

2005/03/30, 14:17:23
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Frank O: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Hi,

I am the grandson of Franklin Casper Oelschlager and the sone of Franklin Robert Oelschlager, also of the Pittsburg family line. My great-grandfathers from my paternal grandfather worked in the coal mines and steel mills repsectively.

I actually have the pick-axe used by one great-grandfather in the coal mines and a large "nail" made in the steel mill as well.

It seems to me that we are from the same line.

2005/12/09, 18:14:19
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Bob Oelschlager: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Hello Frank,

You are the son of my first cousin Franklin Robert Oelschlager, who I knew as "Pepper." His father was my dad's brother.

The "big nail" was not made in the nail mill, it was a party favor at your great-grandfather Frank Oelschlager's 90th birthday party in 1968. I have one also. But I would love to see the pick axe (which was used by Mike Brettschneider).

Please give me a call - I left my number on your work voice mail. I knew your grandparents (my Uncle Frank and Aunt Eoline) quite well.

Bob Oelschlager

2005/12/09, 23:23:58
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Rüdiger Langermann: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Hallo Bob, I am searching in my family history in village Schwedler in Hungary and when I can help to you, wrote me to my mail rlangermann -k-u-k-a-c- hotmail -p-o-n-t- com
With regards from Germany
Rüdiger Langermann

2005/12/10, 11:16:02
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Lynn: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Hello Bob

I believe that you recently contacted my sister who went to high school with you in Upper St. Clair with information that may be helpful in my tracking down other Oelschlagers from the area. I have been trying to find more info re: our geneology.

2006/02/19, 17:34:02
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BOelschl: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Hello Lynn,

If your family came to Bridgeville/Upper St. Clair from the German-speaking village of Schwedler in Upper Hungary (now Slovakia), I can share a tremendous amount of directly relevant material. Can you send me the names and (approximate) birth dates of your ancestors born in Schwedler? You can either post the names here or email them to me directly (your sister has my email address).

Bob Oelschlager

2006/02/19, 21:33:25
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lubo: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Schmolnitz, Smolnik

2006/02/24, 15:08:39
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Rüdiger Langermann: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Hello Lubo, when I understand your message, then you had also this family name Oelschläger and living in Smolnik. In my message from 10/12/05 I had wrote my mail adress and so you can wrote to me more informations to your family history and what questions you had!
With regards
Rüdiger Langermann

2006/02/24, 18:06:21
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duck9397: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

My maiden name is Schemnitzer. My grandfather, Jacob is thw youngest son of Charles Schemnitzer and Rose Miller. I am so happy to have found your post with this useful information. I am trying to put together a family tree and any other information would also be helpful.
Thanks

2006/09/10, 07:33:35
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Rüdiger Langermann: Chemnitzer from Schwedler

Hello, when I understand your message, than you are member of this Schemnitzer family from Svedlar. I have for long time becomes family picture from Pittsburgh area. On this photo is wrote, that there is to looking people with name Emma, Marie and Minnie Miller. Did you know this name in your family tree. The other people on photo had name Schneider, Gieske and Fleischer.On message from 10/12/2005 you can reading my mail-adress. With best wishes from Germany Rüdiger

2006/09/10, 10:51:27
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BOelschl: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Here is more information on the Schemnitzer families:

JOHN SCHEMNITZER, a coal miner, was born in 1865 in Schwedler. He married DORA THEIS in 1891, sister of Mary Oelschlager’s mother Marie Theis Brettschneider. John Schemnitzer immigrated to the Pittsburgh area in 1901 and his wife and three daughters followed in 1903. They lived on Grannish hill in Broughton right above and behind the Brettschneider farmhouse.
Jean Riggs, granddaughter of John Schemnitzer, writes, “The house on Grannish hill was finished before the girls and their mother came. The story is that the house warming was a really big bash. All of Grannish hill came and danced into the night. There was not much furniture, so there was plenty of room to dance. Lots of music, good food and home brew.” No doubt Frank Oelschlager came to help celebrate and paid considerable attention to young Mary Brettschneider—the housewarming party preceded their wedding by only 18 months.
In his later years, John Schemnitzer left the coal mines and worked for the Broughton township highway department. Children:
i. SUSAN JULIANNA SCHEMNITZER RIGGS, Mary Brettschneider’s oldest cousin and maid of honor, b. February 16, 1893, in Schwedler; came to the US in 1903. She had one daughter:
a. JEAN RIGGS
ii. MOLLIE SCHEMNITZER, b. 1895, in Schwedler.
iii. MARIE SCHEMNITZER, b. 1897, in Schwedler.
iv. ROSE SCHEMNITZER, b. 1904, in Broughton
v. JOHN SCHEMNITZER, a coal miner like his father, b. November 19, 1906, in Broughton, PA; d. February 1978
vi. FRANK SCHEMNITZER, b. April 3, 1908; d. April 1963.
vii. CARL SCHEMNITZER, b. Aft. June, 1910.
CHARLES SCHEMNITZER, brother of John and also a coal miner in Schwedler and in Broughton, was born in 1883. He immigrated in 1900 and married ROSE from Schwedler in 1905; she was born in 1887. The family lived on Grannish Hill in Broughton for many years and later moved about four miles north to Willock. They raised seven children:
i. CHARLES SCHEMNITZER, b. 1906.
ii. LOUIS SCHEMNITZER, b. August 25, 1907, Broughton, PA; d. May 1991, Broughton, PA
iii. CATHERINE SCHEMNITZER, b. 1909.
iv. WILLIAM SCHEMNITZER, b. 1912.
v. IDA SCHEMNITZER, b. 1913.
vi. ROSE SCHEMNITZER, b. 1918.
vii. JACOB SCHEMNITZER, b. 1920. Jacob served in WWII and is listed on Broughton Memorial Honor Roll that also commemorates Johnny Brettschneider’s WWI service and death.

Best Regards,
Bob Oelschlager

2006/09/10, 12:21:42
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Grohregin: Schwedler Geneology

I am Emery Grohregin of Paso Robles California in the USA. I am very interested in following up on Grohregin ancestory. I have discovered that my great Grandfather, Casper Grohregin was born in Schwedler in February of 1881. He later moved from Schwedler to Pittsburgh and worked in steel mills as many others have described in the late 1800s before raising his family in Pittsburgh. I believe that I have other Grohregin relatives that currently live there. I am interested to learn all that I can of Schwedler, it history and current status.

Thank you in advance,
Emery J. Grohregin

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duck9397: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Thank you so much for this information. Jacob Schemnitzer is my grandfather. He is getting old but doing well. He married Barbara Valdrighi from Lucca, Italy and they had 6 children, 10 grandchildren and 9 great grandchildren. I am so happy to find out more information about our family so we all know "where we come from."

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duck9397: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Thank you so much for this information. Jacob Schemnitzer is my grandfather. He is getting old but doing well. He married Barbara Valdrighi from Lucca, Italy and they had 6 children, 10 grandchildren and 9 great grandchildren. He has lived in the Seattle, Wa. area for over 60 years. I am so happy to find out more information about our family so we all know "where we come from."

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duck9397: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

I can't find a town of Schwedler on the internet. Where exactly is it?

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BOelschl: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Schwedler is the German spelling. The Slovak spelling is Švedlár which is how you should look on a modern map or doing a Google search, because the town is located in what is now eastern Slovakia.
You can find a fairly detailed history of Schwedler in the book "The Oelschlagers of Monessen" available on-line at http://www.cafepress.com/bobsbooks/; it includes the story of the expulsion of ethnic Germans from Slovakia after WWII ended.

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Grohregin: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Schwedler (Svedlar)
48 degrees 48 min 42 sec North
20 degress 44 min 11 sec East

Emery Grohregin

2006/11/01, 20:23:03
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BOelschl: Re: Schwedler Geneology

I have written a fairly detailed history of Schwedler in the book "The Oelschlagers of Monessen" available for purchase on-line at http://www.cafepress.com/bobsbooks/; it includes the story of the expulsion of ethnic Germans from Slovakia after WWII ended and what Schwedler is like today.

I have been through the birth records of the Schwedler church books, and while I do not recall the name "Grohregin," the name "Groh" was quite common (as was the first name Casper). If you go to the church books, you may want to look for the 1881 birth record of your great grandfather (which would give you his parents' names) under both surnames. The church books are available on microfilm through the Mormon Family History Libraries. The records for 1881 are quite legible.

2006/11/01, 20:23:29
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Rüdiger Langermann: Re: Grohregin from Schwedler

Hello Emery, when you wrote to me on my origin mail-adress to rlangermann -k-u-k-a-c- hotmail -p-o-n-t- com , I can sending to you some pictures or copy of postcards from Schwedler.
With regards from Germany
Rüdiger Langermann

2006/11/01, 20:56:10
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jclavero: Re: Jacob Schemnitzer

I was curious to know if Jacob Schemnitzer had a grandson named Jacob who grew up in Renton, WA. If so, I attended high school with him and wanted to get a hold of him to let him know that Hazen High School is planning their 20 year reunion for 2007. I know this is unrelated to the genealogy and I do apologize for that. Genealogy interests me very much and I have quite a bit of information on my own family's history. So again apologize for interfering, I am just trying to find some people that may want to attend the reunion. Thank You very much, Jill Clavero

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jclavero: Re: Jacob Schemnitzer

By the way, I forgot to leave my email address if anyone wanted to contact me regarding information on Jacob Schemnitzer's grandson Jacob. Thank you again! Jill

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duck9397: Re: Jacob Schemnitzer

Jacob Jr. is my cousin. I believe he is now in So. Cal. Unfortunatly I do not have any contact info for him. He is an engineer and moves around a lot. His parents are still at the same house.

2006/11/28, 09:19:28
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reese: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Here is what I have gathered from my elders:

My great-grandmother Pauline Schmögner was born in Svedlar on April 12, 1864, the daughter of Frank Schmögner (a shoemaker) and Katharine (Meckgardi??). She had three sisters and a brother. One brother and sister stayed in Europe, names unknown. One sister married a man named Keill and lived in Brooklyn, NY. Her name might have been Marie or Emma. The other sister might have lived in Philadelphia. Mr. and Mrs. Keill had three sons and two daughters: Fred, Charles, William, Emma, and Anna.

Emma married Casper Oelschlager. Mr. Oelschlager lived in Pittsburgh but traveled to New York City for business. On one of his business trips, he met Emma Keill, and eventually married her and took her to Pittsburgh. In Pittsburgh, Emma and Casper lived with his parents.
Their first baby, a son, was born dead. They also had two daughters, Marie and Emma.

Marie Oelschlager grew up to marry a Mr. Hughes. They had two sons before they got a divorce, she took the sons. She then married a barber named Mr. Davis. Mr. Davis was an older man who had children by a previous marriage. At least one child came of this new marriage, Marie Davis.

Marie Davis had at least one child, a son named Richard. She lives (in 1980) at 3560 Poppy Crescent, Virginia Beach, VA, 23456 — definitely a hot lead.

If you know more, please send an email to reeserick -k-u-k-a-c- msn.com -p-o-n-t-

Thanks!

Richard Reese

2007/08/12, 03:58:53
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Zlatica : Re: Schmogner

Richard

S^MOGNER (Slovak spelling of Schmogner) in Spisska Nova Ves. www.zoznamst.sk
An ALL site for research in SK:
www.iabsi.com/gen/public
www.genealogienetz.de/reg
17 SCHMOGNERs showing up in Ellis Island www.ellisislandrecords.org
Use One Step / Gold form www.stevemorse.org
www.surnamenavigator.org

2007/08/12, 04:14:16
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reese: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Bob,

I tried to order your book, but Cafe Press says they can't print the file. They refuse to inform me when the book will be available. They won't hold my order until the problem is fixed. My cousin was able to order it several weeks ago. Please post a note when it's available again.

Thanks!

Rick

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BOelschl: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Rick,

I went to my bookshop at cafepress.com and there now appears to be no problem in ordering the book.
I think it was a temporary glitch. You should be able to order. Please try again.
If you have a problem, contact me directly at BOelschl -k-u-k-a-c- cox -p-o-n-t- net and I can ship you a copy directly.

Bob

P.S. Can you tell me how we are related?

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reese: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Bob,

<< P.S. Can you tell me how we are related? >>

Caspar Oelsclager and Dorothea Heintz had a daughter named Anna Maria, born 1862/1863. She married Karl Matyas (born 6 Oct 1892). Karl was the son of Georg Matyas (b. 1820) and Catharina Schmogner (1826-1877). Catharina is related to my great grandmother, Pauline Schmogner. I'll send some charts to your email address.

Take care,

Rick

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reese: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Bob,

Whoops! My previous email was wrong. Strike Karl Matyas, insert Franz Matyas, b. 1857/1858. Here's the fixed version:

Your ancestors, Caspar Oelsclager and Dorothea Heintz, had a daughter named Anna Maria, born 1862/1863. She married Franz Matyas (born 1857/1858). Franz was the son of Georg Matyas (b. 1820) and Catharina Schmogner (1826-1877). Catharina is related to my great grandmother, Pauline Schmogner.

Rick

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Andrew Pierce: Re: Schwedler Geneology

I am a great-great-grandson of Ferenc & Maria(Fabri)O(e)lschlager, born in the 1830s, of Ungvar, Hungary(now Uzhgorod, Ukraine)by the 1860s. Are they related to the Schwedler/Svedlar Oelschlagers?

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BOelschl: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Andrew,

I can't find a direct link in my data base; but they were clearly part of the same Zipser Sachsen community and shared a common heritage. I have nine different individuals named Fabri or Fabry in my Schwedler database; and 40 or 50 Oelschlagers. Oelschlager is without a doubt a distictly Carpathian German surname; very common in that community and fairly rare in other German communities.

But there were many Zipser Saxon villages in the area.

Bob Oelschlager

2008/01/31, 04:56:08
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DonS: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Emery,
My grandmother came from Schwedler. Researching her ancestry in the Schwedler church records I found her grandmother was named Sarah Grohregin, and her father Michael Groh or Grohregin. Previous gens. were simply Groh.
Some of the records listed them as "Groh, vulgo Regin", vulgo being Latin for alias. They seem to have combined two names. For an explanation of this, try going to http://www.oxfordjetgenealogy.com/vulgo_names.htm.

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Reese: Re: Schwedler Geneology

http://www.oxfordjctgenealogy.com/vulgo_names.htm

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Reese: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Don S.

The correct URL is:
http://www.oxfordjctgenealogy.com/vulgo_names.htm

My conclusion was that Groh was a surname, and Regin was a place name. Children of Grohregin parents were sometimes recorded as Groh.

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betsy: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Dear Bob,I noticed a familiar name when I was reading your post, I am researching the families of Ratzenberger, Loy and others in Pgh. Pa. and in my search I came across a letter written to Mary (Joseck) Loy about a man named
Mike Loy Patz. They were looking for information on his family. According to the letter Mary was his sister-in-law.
The letter is dated 18 june 1948--I don't know if this name means anything to you or not. I haven't even figured out how they are related through marriage yet.
On one side Johan Loy b: Germany married Maria Ratzenberger
who was from Svedlar,Schwedler,Slovokia. She was baptised there and her parents were Caspar Ratzenberger & Susanna Groh, there are two dots over the "O" but I don't know how to do that. I can't read the certificate as its in German. I have a friend working on that for me. Do any of these names maean anything to you? Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks betsy

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Reese: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Betsy,

Johan Loy was born about 1872 in Svedlar. He was the son of Anton Loy and Susi Patz.

He married Maria Ratzenberger on 22 May 1898. Maria was born about 1878.

Maria's parents were Caspar Ratzenberger, born 19 Jan 1840, and Susanna Groh, born 25 Sep 1843. See the attached chart for more on this family.

Take care,

Rick

Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik.
Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!

2009/05/02, 21:19:29
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Schneider: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

My father Johann Schneider told me once that my grad grand father from svedlar went 1912 to Pittsburgh. He came back to Svedlar 1914. He went to first world war and came to russian prison. There he dies in Kasachstan.

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Franz Gottfried Brettschneider: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Hello Bob O,
When I was checking the site of Svedlar - where I was born in 1940 - I came across the Radixforum site and was surprise to read so many familiar names.
I am in the possession of a number of original birthcertificates, for instance:
-Michael Brettschneider born 17/09/1829,
his father Kaspar Brettschneider (miner),
his mother Juliana Brettschneider (nee Nemeth), all of them from Svedlar.
As godparents are mentioned Johann Lukesch and Elisabeth Brauer.
- Dorothea Brettschneider born 02/02/1894,
her father Michael Brettschneider (miner)
her mother Maria Brettschneider nee Schmidt, all from Svedlar.
Godparents: Michael and Susanna Groeh
- Franz Kreisel, born 22/12/1892,
his father Michael Kreisel (miner),
his mother Maria Kreisel nee Patz, all from Svedlar.
Godparents: Samuel and Susanna Schlemnitzer.

My own father Franz Brettschneider was born 07/11/1912 out of wedlock, son of Dorothea Brettschneider.
He was raised by the family of Arpad Ordelt in Svedlar.
I was born there 17/10/1940, mother was Paula Brettschneider nee Krieger ,also from Svedlar.
My mother comes from the family of Gottfried and Rosalia Krieger. They were three sisters, one of them, also called Rosalia, married Michael Gastgeb. Another sister Amalia married F. Grohregin (Franz or Ferdinand?). Also everyone from Svedlar.
A brother or sister from my grandmother Rosalia Krieger emigrated to the USA after World War I, destination unknown. I can still remember letters and parcels arriving from the States till roundabout 1955.
Concluding: I would be interested to know if you see any connections to the families and familymembers you mentioned in the States, and if maybe we could be related in some way? Or know anyone else who has information and/ or interest?
I lived in the Czech Republic until 1968,working in the uraniummines. Then I went to live in Germany. Since 1990 I have been living in the Netherlands ,with my Dutch wife.
All the best, Franz Gottfried Brettschneider.

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betsy: Re: Schwedler Geneology

I am researching the Ratzenberger, Groh, Veill, Loy,
Joseck, Squiller and I believe there are Olschlager names
included. Do you have any of the names in your family. I
need all the help I can get. Sincerely, betsy

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betsy: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Dear Rick,
Thank you for the information you sent, I really appreciate
it. I just found it, I was unable to see the image. I don't know when you sent it. Are
you related to these people? If so, I have some docs. you
might be interested in. Sincerely, betsy

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betsy: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Hi, I saw your message and we may be researching the same
family. I have in my family tree a Susanna Groh, which I
believe is the short version of the name, she married
Caspar Ratzenberger who was b:19 Jan.1840 in Svedlar, Gelnica, Kosice, Slovakia. Susanna Groh was b:25 Sep.1843
in the same place. If I am correct, they had 4 children,
Susanna 1869, Caspar 1871, Martin 1873, & Maria 1878.
Do any of these names match any of yours? Susanna & Carpar were married 29 Jun. 1868 in Svedlar. Susanna Groh's parents were Johan Groh b:1813 and Anna Maria Patz b: 1821.
hope to hear from you soon. betsy

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RogerR: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Betsy,

I am researching the Ratzenberger surname and would be interested in any information you could share. The PA branch is one I have yet to be able to connect to yet.

Best Regards,
Roger

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RogerR: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Betsy,

I am researching the Ratzenberger surname and would be interested in any information you could share. The PA branch is one I have yet to be able to connect to yet.

Best Regards,
Roger

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reese: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Roger,

I have some info on Ratzenbergers from Schwedler/Svedlar. Do you know if this is where your ancestors came from?

Give me names and dates.

Take care,

Rick

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brettschneider: Re: Schwedler Geneology

For: Betsy
The names you are looking for - families Groh and Patz - also appear in my documents from Svedlar. However they are probably not relations ( I am not sure!) but appear only as godparents.
Does anyone know otherwise i.e. any family connections between these families and the Brettschneiders??
grts. Franz Brettschneider

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Klein: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Hallo

Im very interestet in the town, where my grandfather lived till 1945. His name was Ladislaus Klein. He had a sister called Mary and brothers called Jula, Samu, Johann and Imre. His father was called Samuel Klein.

Maybe somebody of you has informations about the Klein-famliy.

I have to Schwedler this year. There still living Germans called Loy, Leitner, Patz, Schneider, Kraus.

It was a very nice trip. The people in Schwedler are glad, when you can be their guest.

Greetings
G. Klein

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Rüdiger Langermann: Re: Schwedler Geneology

Hello, had you to your Klein family more informations of this people, birth years and did she immigrated. You can answers me to rlangermann -k-u-k-a-c- hotmail -p-o-n-t- com
Rüdiger Langermann

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betsy: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Dear Bob,
you seem to have a lot of info. on the families I am researching so I am sure you can help me. I am doing this family research for my daughter's husband and I read what you have on Oelschlager, but I am now confused. I have the following info which is probably wrong:
Johan Oelschlager b:abt.1797 Svedlar D: 27 Dec. 1863 in
Svedlar. He married Anna Maria Patz. She was born bef.
1805 in Svedlar. They had a son also named Johan
Oelschlager b: 24 Oct. 1824 in Svedlar and he married
Juliana Fabry b: 21 Jan. 1829 Svedlar. Juliana Fabry is
the daughter of Juliana Ratzenberger & Martin Fabry, their
other children are: Gottfried Fabry b: 1832 died at age
one year, Anna Maria Fabry b:28 Oct 1834 Svedlar and
died 15 Dec.1904, she married Franz Oelschlager on 12 June 1853 in Svedlar. Franz was b:10 Aug.1828 Svedlar. The
parents of Franz Oelschlager were: Franz Oelschlager & Anna
Maria Klein 1771-1846. The older Franz b:21 Jul.1797 Svedlar
I have him as married also to Anna Maria Pratz on 15 June 1823 in Svedlar b:abt 1801 and she was also married to
a Mr. Schneider. Can you tell me if any of this is correct?
I am also researching the families of Loy, Ratzenberger,Schnoper, Schmeltzer. I have the parents of Anna Chnoper as: Franz Schnoper & Juditha Schmeltzer and the
parents of Johann Ratzenberger as: Michael Ratzenberger
b:1761 Svedlar & Anna Maria Groh b:1781 Svedlar. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated.
Sincerely, betsy

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reese: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Betsy,

<< Johan Oelschlager b:abt.1797 Svedlar D: 27 Dec. 1863 in Svedlar. >>

See LDS tape 1791952, item 3. Johan died on that date, at the age of 66 years, 6 months. This would put his birth at about June 1797. His spouse was Anna Maria Patz.

Also in these death records are Johan Oelschlager, the husband of Sara Patz, died on 11 Sep 1847 at 48 (abt 1799). Keep reading for more info on Anna Maria vs. Sara.

<< He married Anna Maria Patz. >>

See above. She is listed as his spouse in his death entry.

There may be conflicting information at 1791952, item 2. On 12 July 1836, Johan Oelschlager, 38, married Sara Patz, 22. Since his parents names are not listed, this is likely his second marriage. Her parents were Caspar Patz and Sara Patz.

In 1791951, item 2, there is a birth record for Sara Patz on 12 Feb 1815. She was the daughter of Caspar Patz and Sara Patz. If this Sara married Johan in 1836, she would have been 21 years, 5 months.

<< She was born bef. 1805 in Svedlar. >>

In 1791952, item 3, there is a death record for Sara Patz on 3 Mar 1857, at age 42 (birth close to 1815). Her husband's was Johan Oelschlager.

In 1791951, item 2, we find the following children.
1822-09-08 Oelschlager, Anna Maria (F: Johan, M: Anna Maria Patz)
1824-10-24 Oelschlager, Johan (F: Johan, M: Anna Maria Patz)
1827-06-17 Oelschlager, Gottfried (F: Johan, M: Anna Maria Patz)
1830-07-11 Oelschlager, Anton (F: Johan, M: Anna Maria Patz)
1833-12-12 Oelschlager, Susanna (F: Johan, M: Anna Maria Patz)
1837-04-09 Oelschlager, Franz (F: Johan, M: Anna Maria Patz)
1839-10-06 Oelschlager, Sara (F: Johan, M: Anna Maria Patz)

1840-02-19 Oelschlager, Samuel (F: Johan, M: Sara Patz)
1844-06-14 Oelschlager, Sara (F: Johan, M: Sara Patz)

The different mothers do not correspond to an 1836 marriage date for Johan and Sara. There is definitely conflicting information here.

In this era, there were not a broad range of common names in use. In the 1800s, there were fewer than 300 homes in Svedlar, but there were Johan Oelschlagers married to Julianna Fabry, Clara Fleisher, Anna Maria Krasz, Theresia Lang, Dorothea Liptay, Julianna Matyas, Rebecca Muller, Anna Maria Patz, Sara Patz, Dorothea Pirkling, Anna Maria Schemnitzer, Sophia Schmogner, and Catharina Zollder.

Not every family record was recorded in the church book. Also, there were a number of mining hamlets in the region, and people moved from place to place to find work.

<< They had a son also named Johan Oelschlager b: 24 Oct. 1824 in Svedlar and he married Juliana Fabry b: 21 Jan. 1829 Svedlar. Juliana Fabry is the daughter of Juliana Ratzenberger & Martin Fabry, their other children are: Gottfried Fabry b: 1832 died at age one year, Anna Maria Fabry b:28 Oct 1834 Svedlar and died 15 Dec.1904>>

Johan's birth on 24 Oct 1824 is noted in the above list of births.

In 1791952, item 2, there is a marriage on 28 Feb 1846 of Johan Oelschlager, 23 (abt 1823) and Juliana Fabry, 18 (abt 1828). His parents were Johan Oelschlager and Anna Maria Patz. Her parents were Martin Fabry and Julianna Ratzenberger.

In 1791951, item 2, I noted three children born to Martin and Julianna:
1829-01-21 Fabry, Julianna
1832-01-10 Fabry, Gottfried
1834-10-28 Fabry, Anna Maria (death on 15 Dec 1904 noted on birth entry).

In 1791952, item 3, there are three death notices:
Gottfried Fabry, on 8 Apr 1833, son of Martin and Julianna.
Sara Fabry, on 18 Nov 1839, at 2 1/2 years, daughter of Martin and Julianna.
Julianna Ratzenberger, wife of Martin Fabry, on 1 Mar 1878, age 72 (abt 1806).

<< Anna Maria Fabry married Franz Oelschlager on 12 June 1853 in Svedlar. >>

Yes, this is noted in 1791952, item 2. He was 23, she was 18. His parents were Franz Oelschlager and Anna Maria Patzier. Her parents were Martin Fabry and Julianna Ratzenberger.

<< Franz was b:10 Aug.1828 Svedlar. The parents of Franz Oelschlager were: Franz Oelschlager & Anna Maria Klein 1771-1846. The older Franz b:21 Jul.1797 Svedlar >>

In 1791951, item 2 are the following children for Franz Oelschlager and Anna Maria Patzier:
1824-12-16 Oelschlager, Franz
1827-01-15 Oelschlager, Anna Maria
1828-08-10 Oelschlager, Franz
1830-12-12 Oelschlager, Dorothea
1833-03-02 Oelschlager, Anna Maria

<< I have him as married also to Anna Maria Pratz on 15 June 1823 in Svedlar b:abt 1801 and she was also married to a Mr. Schneider. >>

In 1791951, item 3 there is record of a marriage on 15 Jun 1823 of Franz Olschlager, 26 and Anna Maria Patz, 22. His parents were Franz Oelschlager and Anna Maria Klein. Her parents were Mathias Patz and Dorothea Muller.

<< I am also researching the families of Loy, Ratzenberger,Schnoper, Schmeltzer. I have the parents of Anna Chnoper as: Franz Schnoper & Juditha Schmeltzer and the parents of Johann Ratzenberger as: Michael Ratzenberger b:1761 Svedlar & Anna Maria Groh b:1781 Svedlar. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated. >>

In 1791951, item 3 there is a marriage record on 28 Mar 1801 of Michael Ratzenberger, 40, and Anna Maria Groh, 20. His parents were Michael Ratzenberger and Sophia Zimmermann. Her parents were Martin Groh and Charitate (?) Sohlman.

Take care,

Rick

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krass helmut dr: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

hallo ihr oelschlager aus svedlar !

mein vater,samuel krass geb.1906,stammt aus svedlar.sein vater jan krass geb 1861 und seine ehefrau maria oelschlager geb.1864 ebenfalls.die eltern von maria waren michael oelschlager *1837 und anna maria krieger*1839 ,beide aus svedler.im meinem stammbaum finde ich noch katarina oelschlager *1742 dorota oelschlager*1713.verwand bin ich mit den familien:krieger,demeter,kupferschmidt,groh.seyfried,keill,demiter,jonasch,starck,jonasch,gedulgig,duch,liebezeit,fleischer.likisch,keyl,bretzschneider*1756,ordelt,wentzel,schmoegner,schneider,brettschneider,scholz,lacher

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krass helmut dr: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

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Rüdiger Langermann: Krass from Schwedler

Hallo Helmut,
hast du in deinen Unterlagen einen Martin Krass *1892, welche der Sohn eines Janos Krass und seiner Frau Maria Oelschläger gewesen ist oder gibt es hier nur eine Namensgleichheit.
Rüdiger

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Rüdiger Langermann: Krass from Schwedler

Hallo Helmut,
mich würden auch Hinweise interessieren zur Familie einer Aranka Krass, welche einen Johan Anton Langermann aus Schwedler geheiratet hatte. Sie mp üßte um 1923 geboren worden sein.
Rüdiger

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krass helmut dr: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

hallo bob,ich lebe in deutschland und habe in meinem stammbaum einige gemeinsame namen gefunden.mein vater ist samuel krass*1906 in svedlar.eltern:jan krasz*1861 maria oelschlager*1864 aus svedlar.die elternvon maria:michal oelschlager*1837 anna maria krieger*1839 aus svedlar.die eltern von michal:michal oelschlager*1812 juliana groh*1816aus svedlar.die eltern von michal:jan michal oelschlager*1788 anna maria schmoegner*1795aus svedlar.die eltern von jan michal oe.:blazej oelschlager*1764 juliana wentzel*1769 aus svedlar.blazejs eltern:martin oelschlager alzbeta krieger haben 1753 in svedlar geheiratet.weitere namen aus meinem stammbaum: demeter,kupferschmidt,groh,seyfried,jonasch,starck,gedulgig,duch,demiter,keill,liebezeit,keyl,fleischer,linkisch,pirkling,czelder,bretzschneider,ordelt,scholz,lacher,zelder,wentzel,schmoegner,schneider,schmidt,fischer,rump.
ich hoffe daß ich dir neue informationen geben konnte.
ueber eine antwort wuerde ich mich freuen.
viele gruesse
helmut (mit wurzeln in svedlar)

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krass helmut dr: Re: Oelschlagers from Schwedler

Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik.
Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!

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Burghard: Re: Schwedler Geneology

My grandmother and grandfather were Paula and Michael Groh from Svedlar. I like to know if at the family history of my grandmother she was Paula Klein and became Groh after marriage is any evidence that there were Jewish people.
As often Jewish names are used like Samual, Sara, Klein, Oelschläeger Bretschneider I am curios

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Burghard: Re: Schwedler Geneology

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Zlatica : Re: Svedlar, Slovakia

Burghard

http://www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/slovak.html

KLEINova in Svedlar's phone book.
http://www.zoznam.sk/hladaj.fcgi?co=telzoznam&s=kleinova&mesto=svedlar&ulica=&psc=&uto=&net_fixed=1&net_mobile=1&net_alt=1

Surnames in 1995 in Svedlar, Slovakia:
V obci ŠVEDLÁR (okr. SPIŠSKÁ NOVÁ VES) sa v roku 1995 nachádzali najčastejšie tieto priezviská: PLACHETKA 255×; PLACHETKOVÁ 234×; PUKLEJA 67×; PUKLEJOVÁ 50×; HORVÁTH 37×; HORVÁTHOVÁ 33×; BIKÁR 27×; BIKÁROVÁ 24×; JABLONOVSKÝ 21×; BIKAR 19×; JABLONOVSKÁ 19×; PATZOVÁ 19×; BIKAROVÁ 18×; HUDÁK 16×; TIBURÁKOVÁ 16×; BOSÁKOVÁ 15×; KRASZ 15×; PATZ 14×; FOX 14×; KOMÁR 13×; TIBURÁK 13×; HUDÁKOVÁ 12×; VOZÁROVÁ 12×; KOCÚR 9×; HOLUBOVÁ 9×; NOVOTNÝ 9×; NOVOTNÁ 9×; MŰNNICH 9×; BOSÁK 9×; KELLNER 8×; KRASZOVÁ 8×; BRETTSCHNEIDEROVÁ 8×; LOYOVÁ 8×; KOMÁROVÁ 8×; HAMRÁKOVÁ 7×; KOCÚROVÁ 7×; VARGA 7×; VOZÁR 7×; BENDÍKOVÁ 7×; HORVATHOVÁ 7×; HOLUB 6×; DANIELISOVÁ 6×; BENDÍK 6×; KONČÍK 6×; LOY 6×; LIPTÁKOVÁ 6×; KONČULOVÁ 6×; MARŠALEKOVÁ 6×; HAMRÁK 6×; JARABEKOVÁ 6×; KLEINOVÁ 5×; SCHMIDT 5×; ROTH 5×; BODNÁROVÁ 5×; LEITNER 5×; GAJDOŠOVÁ 5×; MIKOLAJOVÁ 5×; ŽELINSKÝ 5×; ŽILLA 5×; FOXOVÁ 5×; KRASS 5×; ŠKVARKA 5×; BLAŠKO 5×; KOKY 5×; SCHNEIDEROVÁ 5×; SCHNEIDER 5×; VARGOVÁ 5×; ŽIGA 5×; BODNÁR 4×; VOJTILLA 4×; KLIMKOVÁ 4×; ORAVCOVÁ 4×; ŽIGOVÁ 4×; KRÁNER 4×; REGEC 4×; DANIELIS 4×; LIPTÁK 4×; VEŠELENYI 4×; DIRDOVÁ 4×; DIRO 4×; HORVATH 4×; TURČANIK 4×; DÁVID 4×; BLAŽENINOVÁ 4×; SZABOVÁ 4×; KELLNEROVÁ 4×; SCHMIDTOVÁ 4×; ČECH 4×; SÝKORA 4×; AUGUSTÍN 4×; DZUROVÁ 4×; ČONKOVÁ 4×; ŠTROMPFOVÁ 4×; MARŠALEK 4×; ŠOMŠÁKOVÁ 4×; ROTHOVÁ 4×; JARABEK 4×; REGECOVÁ 4×; SZABO 4×; LEITNEROVÁ 3×, ... [includes females]

An ALL site for research in Slovakia:
www.iabsi.com/gen/public

Roman Catholic and an Evangelic church records in LDS-Mormons [Family History Center] site.

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Zlatica : Re: Schwedler Geneology

Burghard

Klein, Johann Swedler, Hungary 40 1872 1912
Brettschneider, Gaspar Svedler, Hungary 24 1888 1912
Brettschneider, Janos Svedler 28 1877 1905
...elschlager, Kasper Svedler 15 1888 1903
Goue, Maria Svedler 16 1882 1898
Greh, Karl Svedler 49 1854 1903
Greh, Maria Svedler, Hungary 55 1858 1913
Greh, Marton Svedler 23 1884 1907
Groh, Gisella Svedler, Hungary 49 1864 1913
Groh, Janos Svedler, Hungary 33 1873 1906
Groh, Johann Svedler 25 1875 1900
Greh, Gnsztav Joedler 16 1884 1900
Ochlschlaeger, Carl Svedler 4 1888 1892
Ochlschlaeger, Dorotea Svedler 27 1865 1892
Ochsollager, Dori Svedler 18 1886 1904
Oehchlager, Adolf Svedler 26 1872 1898
Oelschleger, Bela Svedler 4 1897 1901
Oelschleger, Franz Svedler 6 1895 1901
Oelschleger, Ida Svedler 25 1876 1901
Ohlschlager, Dora Svedler 18 1882 1900
Olschlager, Rosa Svedler, Hungary 17 1896 1913
source: www.ellisislandrecords.org

Klein, Paula Svedler 24 1880 1904 She identified herself as being German. I looked on few of the above mentioned NY EI arrival manifest and most of them listed themselves as German or Hungarian.

Your ancestral surnames in 1995 in Slovakia
http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=groh&c=l53c
http://slovniky.korpus.sk/?w=klein&s=exact&c=4282&d=kssj4&d=psp&d=scs&d=sss&d=peciar&d=ma&d=hssjV&d=bernolak&d=obce&d=priezviska&d=un&d=locutio&d=pskcs&d=psken&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8
Priezvisko BRETSCHNEIDER sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 11×, celkový počet lokalít: 5, v lokalitách:
TRENČÍN, okr. TRENČÍN – 5×;
DRIETOMA, okr. TRENČÍN – 3×;
ŠVEDLÁR, okr. SPIŠSKÁ NOVÁ VES (od r. 1996 GELNICA) – 1×;
BANSKÁ ŠTIAVNICA, okr. ŽIAR NAD HRONOM (od r. 1996 BANSKÁ ŠTIAVNICA) – 1×;
MOLDAVA NAD BODVOU, okr. KOŠICE-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 KOŠICE - OKOLIE) – 1×;
~~~~
Priezvisko BRETTSCHNEIDER sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 12×, celkový počet lokalít: 8, v lokalitách:
ŠVEDLÁR, okr. SPIŠSKÁ NOVÁ VES (od r. 1996 GELNICA) – 3×;
KRÁĽOVÁ PRI SENCI, okr. BRATISLAVA-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 SENEC) – 3×;
DRIETOMA, okr. TRENČÍN – 1×;
KOSTOLNÁ-ZÁRIEČIE, okr. TRENČÍN – 1×;
MNÍŠEK NAD HNILCOM, okr. SPIŠSKÁ NOVÁ VES (od r. 1996 GELNICA) – 1×;
MOLDAVA NAD BODVOU, okr. KOŠICE-VIDIEK (od r. 1996 KOŠICE - OKOLIE) – 1×;
TRENČÍN, okr. TRENČÍN – 1×;
ZÁPAD (obec KOŠICE), okr. KOŠICE – 1×;
~~~
Priezvisko OELSCHLÄGER sa na Slovensku v roku 1995 nachádzalo 5×, celkový počet lokalít: 1, v lokalitách:
SPIŠSKÁ NOVÁ VES, okr. SPIŠSKÁ NOVÁ VES – 5×;

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