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Radovan Skultety: Hungary = Hungary?
Greeting to all the readers!
My name is Radovan Skultety, I'm Slovak. I've come across this "Board for Hungarian genealogy research" website and I feel I just have to post some comments on it.
My surname, "Skultety", is NOT a Hungarian surname. I've done some research on it and I suppose this surname was historically not used by ethnic Hungarians. It was first used to denote a kind of a mission assumed by the people who responded to the king's summon to resettle the areas of the then Upper-Hungary (Horne Uhorsko) whose population was decimated by the Tartar invasion (13th cent.). Without enough serfs to pay the "taxes", the royal treasury was getting empty, so the king offered extensive benefits to the new settlers, coming largely from Germany and other places. As the official language of that time was still Latin, this "mission" turned into a surname in 2 basic forms: Sculthetus (Latin) and Soltes (later Slovakized).
On this occassion I'd like to point out to a linguistic-historical fact that is not well-known but deserves to be more propagated. It's the fact that the multinational country inhabited by Hungarians, Slovaks, Croatians, Ruthenians, Serbs et al. that existed BEFORE 1918 called "Hungary" in English has a different name in Slovak (Uhorsko) than the Hungary that was created after 1918. The reason is that Slovaks never felt very much identified with the pre-1918 Hungary because of a number of reasons (among them the intense Hungarization of the non-Hungarian nations that started after the Compromise in 1867). As far as I know, except for a few languages of Central Europe (language as an expression of a general accepted historical interpretation prevalent in a certain country) there is just one name for Hungary - like in the English language - throughout all the history of the country.
I welcome every reponse to this comments of mine, especially from historians and those of you who are of Hungarian extraction.
Have a great day.
R.S.
2004/12/07, 02:00:42
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kezdi: MODERATOR:Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Radovan Skultety, your knowledge is shallow, I let you in on a little secret, the Soltész and also the Kenéz were not poor settlers, don't pity yourself, they were agents for the landowners, they got the people, they organized the trip, they even built the settlements, and got paid handsomely for it.
For politics, this message below fits for you too:

kezdi: MODERATOR: Re: Rojko

paloslav, this website is for genealogy research, not for political discussion. It's YOU, NOT the responders, who started this Forum with a STUPID political statement, right off the bat, of which some of the responders deliberately ignoring, WHY. We all know why, don't we, they were here quickly to blame others, your job was just start yelling fire, you have no facts, you're a lier, you're a classic provocateur.
The question is WHY, why now suddenly there is an other poor soul who needs to talk ethnic:
Skultety Hungary = Hungary? Radovan Skultety 07/12/2004
Perhaps it's bothering you and the backward slovak posse, that something great being done here in a peacful, friendly atmosphere? I realy don't care, hopefuly the moderator will kick you out of here soon. Nobody asking here what's your ethnicity, people helping each other regardles of.
All I can say to you ignorant lier, go reeducate youself by reading Dusan Kovac, the well respected Slovak historian: the so called Hungarozation had no effect on the number of Slovak citizens of Hungary. New history had been written for Slovaks by Slovaks, tell the news you heard it here.
For closing, to all whose property were confiscated and had been brutally expelled from Czechoslovakia by the Benes doctrine after WWII, the Slovak government couragesly drafted the law, and ready for signing, to compensate the victims. So far half a million Hungarian claims had been filed.

09/12/2004, 22:05:53
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2004/12/09, 22:35:01
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kezdi: Re: MODERATOR:Re: Hungary = Hungary?
I forgot to add, that they also stayed on with "their" settlements, and become the village sheriff.
2004/12/09, 23:47:15
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Butatoth: Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Skultety is hungarized Latin word, skultet or soltys/soltis was agent for local landlord, who got people, who founded a village and who was a free from taxes for 6-12 years, his privileges were granted by landlord and usually his descendents were skultets as well. So what do you know about origin of your surname? It seems that you are lovack simpleton, right?
Maybe your ancestors were Hungarians, maybe Rusyns, maybe Germans, maybe Magyars if your surname is Skultety. Why do you think that you are Lovack, if your surname is not Lovack?
Typical Lovack surname is Baca, Valach, Honelnik, typical shepherd names...


I will write to moderator of this forum to ban your access here, nobody is interested about your Lovack propaganda, especially if you are jerky lovack nationalist, who do not know anything about history.

Cia stupido....


Howgh
2004/12/10, 11:28:06
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Peter S.: Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Welcome Slovak!

reagujem na toho antislovaka, co sem stale pise. Evidentne rozumie, len presazuje svoju nenavist.
Nepoznam povod vzniku mena Skultety, ale predpokladam, ze to vzniklo zo slov skultet, soltys, soltes. Ti co boli na cele osad, ktore zakladali na severe a vychode Slovenska.
Skultety je asi hungarizovana verzia, alebo latinizovana? Neviem. Ale mas dost menovcov na Slovensku. Mal som aj profesora spravneho prava na UK v Bratislave s Tymto menom. A naopak spoluziak sa volal Soltes. ;o)
Peter.
2004/12/10, 14:59:29
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Butatoth: Re: Hungary = Hungary?
I understand Slovak, fuck yourself you stupid Lovak nationalist!!!
2004/12/13, 10:18:02
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Lajos Reich: Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Hi Radovan!
Yes, you have true, your firstname is not Hungarian, but that is Croatian. The name Skultéty means from Skultét, and it has been famous by an officer of the baron Hadik Division like Hungarian nobleman, and who's descendant was my boss in the Ministry of Environment of Hungary, like State Sexretar. Your Latin explains are absolutely wrong.If you think so, you can take up the contact with a Skultéty, who is director of the Healt-economy Research Institute: http://www.gki.hu/index.php?lang=hu&id=183
By the way your historical knowledge about the Hungarian Kingdom and about the 150 years old Slovakian "nation" is lower like F-, sorry. You are a victime of the Slovakian ultranationalists, who would like the wrong contact among the two nations. It is possible to see by your text and from some of other corresponcencer's sentences. I sorry you.
Lajos Reich, Hungary
2004/12/13, 11:25:17
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Ferike: Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Súdruh! Aku cudzie jazyky ovládate?
Nerozumiem Vás! Aká je dojivost jednej kravy? Akym sposobom dosahujete takú velkú úrodu?:)

Gyerekek, írjunk már olyan nyelven, amit mindenki megért. Tartsuk tiszteletben, hogy a topicindító anglolul kezdte.

If you can not speak or write in english please don't write here to your slovakian friend. If somebody start to write here you can follow him in this...and sorry my bad english.

Pas écris en slovakien! Si tu ne parles pas en anglais, tu n' écriras pas á ici en slovakien parce que nous ne te comprenons pas!
D'ailleurs tu étais malhonnete. Merci beaucoup. Salut.
2004/12/14, 00:34:22
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Ferike: Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Oh my God...there are a lot of consonant in the slovakian language, I can't pronounce what I wrote:)
But I don't say this is ugly!
2004/12/14, 00:47:52
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KB: Antal Skultety
I'm researching my deceased father's ancestry and am trying to locate any of his relatives. He left Hungary in 1956 when he was just a young man and had never returned to his homeland near Szombathely. He came from a family with many siblings who I know very little about and who I have never met except for his one brother Geza and that was well over thirty years ago. If anyone has any information on this family, please contact me.
2005/01/20, 08:07:38
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Zlatica : Re: Antal Skultety
KB

Take a look in Hungary's phone site : www.matav.hu/english/index.html
Seems there are some SKULTETIs in Szombathely.
www.szombathely.hu
www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator
The LDS-Mormons website is listing church records of town of Szombathely. You can order the films and gather ancestral information.
www.bmi.net/jjaso to familiarize yourself with church wording.
2005/01/20, 13:35:43
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Kaji: Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Hölgyem/Uram!
Nem szégyen, de angolul nem beszélek és nem irok, de németűl,törökül és még egy két nyelven értek. Viszont Skultéthy rokonságonm van és azok magyarok és nem beszélnek más nyelveken. Ha kiváncsi vagy Te szlováktót rokonságodra, legalább magyarúl írj ebbe a magyar rovatba, vagy irjál angolul, ennek a honlapnak angol változatába. Ez esetben olyan okos maradsz, mint amilyen vagy hosszú angol szövegeddel.
2005/01/21, 01:40:35
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Radovan Skultety: Re: MODERATOR:Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Dear discussants - historians and would-be historians,
thank you very much for your illuminating comments, they helped me learn a little more about the origins of my surname. I agree with the statement that this is a genealogical, not political forum, and we should respect it. My concluding remark was a little provocative, I admit, and some of your reactions proved that there was still a lot of misunderstanding (as opposed to poor language skills), if not hatred among our peoples. My strong conviction is that sophisticated dialog is one of a substantially different nature, where ethnicity doesn't really matter.
History is always a matter of subjective interpretation of facts, that all of us, that means YOU as well as ME, are prone to accept to some extent. I mentioned a linguistic fact in my native tongue and offered a historical explanation to it, and none of the arguments presented here showed me that I was wrong. So calling me a "lier" (liar?) is, perhaps, a little intemperate at this place, not to mention other examples of less cultivated vocabulary.
I also wish, along with many amongst you, that there be more "peaceful, friendly" exchanges of opinions, constructive debates without slandering and barking at each other. Then, perhaps, one day we will grow to understand and laugh together at the petty hassles of the past.
Peace with all the people of good will!
R.Skultety
2005/03/22, 07:56:53
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Skultéty Viktória: Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Szép jó napot!

Örülnék én is, ha magyarul írnának, ha már magyar a rovat.
Én annyit tudok egyelőre, hogy a nagypapám Bécsből származik, és terveim között szerepel, hogy a közeljövőben felkutatom a családfát.
Skultéty Viktória
2005/04/14, 13:44:26
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rudedawg1979: Re: Hungary = Hungary?
Hello my name is Rudolph Frank Skultety III. I am 25 yrs old serving in the US Air Force. I know little about my family, even here in the US. I have heard stories that we are from Slovakia. I was told that the family was very important or even some kind of royalty many years ago, but had to flee the country to Italy during some kind of uprising. Is there any fact to this at all? I was also told that Skultety is not the original spelling and the US pronunciation is not the original pronunciation. I was told that when coming through customs several years ago it was changed there? I really would like to know about where I am from and some people in my family.
Thank you,
Rudolph Skultety
2005/08/09, 18:30:53
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Kaji: Skultéthy
A Skultéti,Skultéty, Skultéthy névváltozatok a Felvidéken több helyiség anyakönyvében előfordulnak. Én a Skultéthyeket kutatom, de még nem sikerült más névváltozatokkal a kapcsolatot megtalálnom annak ellenére, hogy Besztercebányán és 1800-as évek elején tartok.
2005/08/09, 22:19:41
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rudedawg1979: Re: Skultéthy
Unfortunately I can only read and write English. I appreciate the info but not to sure what it says. Would you or anyone please help by translating?
thanks
Rudy
2005/08/10, 14:52:02
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Zlatica : Re:Skultety
Rudolph

The manifests were written up at the port of departure and not changed at Ellis Island, Baltimore, Boston,or Philadelphia. You know that you need to start with what you know, YOU and proceed backwards to the ancestor that came from the "old country".
The Slovak Republic's phone book does list a spelling S^KULTETY. www.zoznamst.sk
Sorry, do not know Hungarian.
2005/08/10, 14:56:44
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Zlatica : Re: Skultety
Rudy

I guess I did understand a word in the previous post, Besztercebanya which is an old name of a Banska Bystrica, Slovak Republic.
To locate this town go to http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 and click on Zolyom megye.
The phone book of Banska Bystrica is listing S^KULTETY(I) (Slovak spelling). www.zoznamst.sk
2005/08/10, 15:12:39
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rudedawg1979: Need some help
I am not sure what this is. It has something to do with my Great Grand father. Can some one translate this?

Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik.
Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!
2005/08/11, 19:35:50
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rudedawg1979: Need some help
I am not sure what this is. It has something to do with my Great Grand father. Can some one translate this?

Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik.
Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!
2005/08/11, 19:38:07
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Németh József: Re: Antal Skultety
I am your cousin. Your Father (Antal) had 8 siblings: Géza, Béla, , Gyula, Péter, , , . () My mother is Rosalia. We all of us lives in Hungary. You have 9 (living) cousin in Hungary.
Write e-mail: nemethjozsef -k-u-k-a-c- vpmegye -p-o-n-t- hu
2009/04/06, 11:58:14
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