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stamper: lineage and possible name change
I am a Stamper, and according to my father's family, Hungarian. I have been told that our surname was originally something else, but no one can acurately recall just what it was. My great-great-grandfather was Casper(Caspar?) Stamper. He had several chldren, some before he came here near the turn of the century, and some after. My great grandfather Paul was born in Hungary and became a citizen in 1929 at the age of 25.(former nationality listed as "Roumania")I have a photocopy of his naturalization papers but they are the only form of documentation I have been able to come up with and by then the name was already changed. Any help is greatly appreciated.
2008/11/24, 22:07:10
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Zlatica : Re: lineage and possible name change
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Are you holding his naturalization certificate? If yes, not much information on there especially no place of birth, only country.
STAMPER seems more German than Hungarian or Romanian.
www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dsinfo.htm
Paul was born as Pal: where in old Hungary?
http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/austhung.htm
Location, location, location is the key to the research.
2008/11/24, 22:58:48
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Zlatica : Re: STAMPER Gaspar
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79 STAMPERs did come thru Ellis Island.
STAMPAR, Gaspar Pacska
www.ellisislandrecords.org
16 Paul STAMPERs in http://ssdi.rootsweb.com/
Have you looked for your grandfather's baptismal record?
First name site:
http://www.progenealogists.com/hungary/names.htm
2008/11/24, 23:14:49
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Stamper7: Re: STAMPER Gaspar
Zlatica, you are a bad ass! You led me exactly where I've been trying to go for years! Thank you very much.
2008/11/25, 05:20:24
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Zlatica : Re: STAMPER Gaspar
Your welcome. Had to laugh at the expression. :)
So what is the place of birth?
2008/11/25, 06:08:04
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stamper7: Re: STAMPER Gaspar
Apparently Pecska? Not sure though and I don't think it exists anymore. I'm not sure how to find out either. I tried a few of the links but either I'm not looking in the right place or there are no more records before the Elis Island logs. Any ideas? Thanks!
2008/11/25, 12:59:04
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Zlatica : Re: STAMPER Gaspar
stamper7

Magyarpecska, Arad megye, Hungary (now) Romania
Opecska, Arad megye, Hungary (now) Romania
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 click on Arad megye
left side of the map in light green outline Magy.-Pecska and right East of it is O.Pecska and further East is town Arad.
Magyarpecska is now Pecica, Romania
http://atlas.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?searchtype=address&formtype=latlong&latlongtype=decimal&latitude=46.1667&longitude=21.0667&size=big
It is possible that your ancestor could have come thru other port. Follow up on the US document that you have. His naturalization petition will have information.
2008/11/25, 15:18:25
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kezdi: Re: lineage and possible name change
stamper,
This family arrival data from EllisIsland.org matches very close your g.g.granfather's Paul (Pál in Hungarian) age. Also matching as you said they were Hungarians, as written in the document Magyar, as Hungarians calling themselves.
Most likely their destination were husband/father Gaspar Stampar. Normally checking the original Manifest online can match families, except in some cases, like this one, in the process of transcribing the Arrival Records are not linking up with the Original Manifest. There's a way find the so called Missing Manifest with this program, I can help with it if you get lost:
http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/mm.htm?back=http://www.stevemorse.org/


Manifest for Blucher Sailing from Hamburg
Date of Arrival Sep 30, 1906

Name Gender Age Married Ethnicity Place of Residence

0007. Stampar, Anna F 24y M Hungary,Magyar
0008. Stampar, Gaspar M 4y S Hungary,Magyar
0009. Stampar, Pal M 2y S Hungary,Magyar
0010. Stampar, Istvan M 2m S Hungary,Magyar
2008/11/25, 16:58:44
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kezdi: Re: lineage and possible name change
Correction!
In my previous post the Ethnicity and Place of Residence were in wrong order, should have been:

Manifest for Blucher Sailing from Hamburg
Date of Arrival Sep 30, 1906

Name; Gender; Age; Married; Place of Residence;
Ethnicity
0007. Stampar, Anna F 24y M Hungary,Magyar
0008. Stampar, Gaspar M 4y S Hungary,Magyar
0009. Stampar, Pal M 2y S Hungary,Magyar
0010. Stampar, Istvan M 2m S Hungary,Magyar
2008/11/25, 17:14:05
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stamper7: Re: lineage and possible name change
Thank you for your response on the ships' manifests. I have gone as far as I can go there. The records you indicated are my family's and I found some from earlier of Gaspar alone and some later of his brother Janos Stampar and his family, but now I'm trying to pinpoint where they lived and any extended family which did not come along to America and may still be over there. Also any other public records on any ancestors in the old country would be of great interest to me. Thanks again for everyone's help. This is fun!
2008/11/25, 18:49:06
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Zlatica : Re: STAMPAR in Timisoara
stamper7

Romania's phone book: www.whitepages.org
STAMPAR in Timisoara, Mosnita Noua and Recas (Timis region)
2008/11/25, 22:12:41
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stamper7: Re: STAMPAR in Timisoara
Thanks again Zlatica!! Where do you live? You really have been a huge help!!
2008/11/25, 22:15:25
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Zlatica : Re: STAMPARs born in
Your welcome.
I am in snowy Ohio.
Do take a look on the 1912 manifest of the STAMPARs that came from Bukfalva.
Anna and Maria were naturalized citizen or applied for it. (set of numbers by their name). They left a grandfather Laszlo FERENCZ in Nagytapolovacz (?) I find Nagytopoly, Temes megye. Anna was born in Modos; Maria in Gyarmata, and Pal and Janos in Jezvin(sp)
2008/11/25, 22:24:29
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stamper7: Re: STAMPARs born in
How do you find this stuff so quickly? You're starting to make me feel stupid.:) I'm not sure the ones from Bukfalva are my ancestors due to the age of Pal being 13 in 1912...he was born in 1904. Also Pal wasn't a citizen until 1929 so I doubt his mother (Anna) was either. I am mainly trying to find out Gaspar's parents' and sibling's names as well as Anna's parents' names. By the way, you a guy or a chick? Stay warm!
2008/11/25, 22:35:43
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kezdi: MIssing Manifest
This a goldmine for details, the link to the Missing Manifest, Anna and the three boys under Lines 7-10 destination husband/father Gaspar Stampar in Cincinnati, O. plus street address, and a Janos Stampar under Line 24 also from Magyarpecska whose destination was St.Louis:

http://www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/mm.htm?back=http://www.stevemorse.org/cgi-bin/boat.cgi?series=&rollStart=&rollEnd=&volumeStart=&volumeEnd=&monthStart=9&dayStart=30&yearStart=1906&monthEnd=9&dayEnd=30&yearEnd=1906&boatkind=starts&boat=blucher&offset=1&portkind=starts&port=&pageSize=50&database=all&auth=&series=1&roll=774&frame=361&display=true

For extended family connections, I can look for the Hungarian church website in Magyar-Pecska if you know the religion.

This's the link to the Text Version of the Manifest, same Line numbers apply:
http://www.ellisisland.org/search/viewTextManifest.asp?MID=04149672870042148736&pID=102300040530
2008/11/25, 22:44:49
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stamper7: Re: MIssing Manifest
I'm not sure how long they were in Cincinati but they eventually settled in Chicago. I'm not sure the religion, I'm pretty sure they weren't jewish but I have heard stories that 'going to church with them was alot like going to a Catholic church but it wasn't a Catholic church'. I'm not a scholar of religions by any means and have no idea what it could be. Episcopal maybe? Any help is greatly appreciated!!!
2008/11/25, 22:51:17
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Zlatica : Re: STAMPAR
I know a short cut. I used one step/gold form www.stevemorse.org and looked for people that came from Bukfalva/Bukkfalva. There could be a family connection between STAMPARs from Magyarpecska and Bukkfalva, or not. You need to follow your family line. Do you have Pal's naturalization petition? If not, you should request it. It should contain information you are searching for.
I am a female.
2008/11/25, 22:51:22
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stamper7: Re: STAMPAR
I know up to Gaspar.......me(andrew scott stamper) dad-Scott Edwin Stamper, g-dad Paul Stamper Jr., g-granddad Paul Stamper Sr.(Pal Stampar) g-g-grandad Casper Stamper(Gaspar Stampar) Janos Stampar was his brother. I will go there now and give that a shot. Thanks again! I wanted to know (guy or chick?) so I knew whether I owe you a dinner out or a few beers and some wings. I'll be up that way in Jan.
2008/11/25, 22:59:37
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kezdi: Churches
Main religion for Hungarians besides R.Cath. is Reformed Protestant a.k.a. Calvinist, it's part of the Presbiterian Church.

I uploaded the details for Magyar-Pecska from the 1892 Gazetteer of Hungary, Population 8336 in 1531 houses, as you can see R.Cath. and Jewish churches are in town, others are:
Gr.Cath. in Arad, the main city around
Eastern Orthodox in O-Pecska, O=Old, this church mostly for Romanians and Serbians
Lutheran in Szemlak
Reformed in Kis-Pereg, unless you know othewrwise I'll look for connections to this church.


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Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!
2008/11/25, 23:35:58
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stamper7: Re: Churches
That would be real cool. I think I remember a discussion about that at a reunion once. That could have been it. I really do appreciate your doing this for me!
2008/11/26, 00:07:36
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stamper7: Re: Churches
no, wait, I think it's Lutheran. For some reason my Dad seemed to think they were Lutheran and when he's not drunk, he's usually right.:) I think he was sober when he said it. Lutheran sounds the most right! thanks again!
2008/11/26, 00:11:41
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