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	Otsn: Varga family My grandfather, Josef Varga, was born in Hungary in March of 1879. He came to the U.S. in 1902.(Yes, I've check Ellis Island records-no luck). We have been told he was born in the Budapest area. My father says he did not say alot about his life in Hungary. He did say his family had a vineyard, raised black Arabian horses, made and bottled their own wine. He had 7 brothers and 3 sisters. We do not know their names. He served in the Crown Guard in 1900. I wrote to the present Crown Guard and they do not have records before WWI. My grandmother, Julia Nemeth worked in the palace in Budapest as the head pastry chef. She died when my father was 4, so very little is known about her family history. I've been researching since 1999 and no luck. Does this sound familiar to anyone? Any suggestions? Thank you, Judi		2003/08/03, 20:51:32 #: 2003087 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Varga Boti Én magam is Varga vagyok, a család az 1900-as évek elehjén költözött ki Andrásfalváról, aztan Dévára mentek, végül Bihardiószegre, de a nagyobb gyerekek továbbmentek Bácskába, majd vissza Magyarországra.Én Varga Gyula unokája vagyok, a legkisebb a 10 gyerek közül, aki megismeri bennem a családját, kérem írjon' Előre is köszönöm Boti		2003/10/19, 15:40:28 #: 200310248 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Varga Boti Én magam is Varga vagyok, a család az 1900-as évek elehjén költözött ki Andrásfalváról, aztan Dévára mentek, végül Bihardiószegre, de a nagyobb gyerekek továbbmentek Bácskába, majd vissza Magyarországra.Én Varga Gyula unokája vagyok, a legkisebb a 10 gyerek közül, aki megismeri bennem a családját, kérem írjon' Előre is köszönöm Boti		2003/10/19, 15:40:51 #: 200310249 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Varga family Varga Boti, Koszonom for writing! Below is a translation of your reply a friend provided. I don't speak or read Hungarian, sorry. Where is Andrafalva, Deva and Bihardioszek? Does any of my family history sound familiar to you? Did you have a Joseph Varga in your family line who served in the Crown Guard (my grandfather)? We do not have the names of my grandfather's brothers and sisters, so I don't know if we are related to your Gyula. I would love to hear from you again Judi I am a Varga also. The family emigrated from Andrafalva in the 1900's. Then they moved to Deva and finally to Bihardioszeg. The older kids moved on to Bacska, and back to Hungary. I am the grandson of Gyula (Julius) Varga, the youngest of ten. if you recognize your family ties in this please write. thanks Boti		2003/10/20, 05:05:59 #: 200310258 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Varga family Varga Boti, Koszonom for writing! Below is a translation of your reply a friend provided. I don't speak or read Hungarian, sorry. Where is Andrafalva, Deva and Bihardioszek? Does any of my family history sound familiar to you? Did you have a Joseph Varga in your family line who served in the Crown Guard (my grandfather)? We do not have the names of my grandfather's brothers and sisters, so I don't know if we are related to your Gyula. I would love to hear from you again Judi I am a Varga also. The family emigrated from Andrafalva in the 1900's. Then they moved to Deva and finally to Bihardioszeg. The older kids moved on to Bacska, and back to Hungary. I am the grandson of Gyula (Julius) Varga, the youngest of ten. if you recognize your family ties in this please write. thanks Boti		2003/10/20, 05:06:38 #: 200310259 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Varga family The only VARGA in my family tree is thru marriage. My cousin's daughter married a Varga in Slovak Republic. Possible that your Andrafalva might be Andrasfalva? The town of Bihardioszeg is in Bihar megye / county and at present in Romania. The town of Deva seems to be in Romania and in Serbia. www.jewisghen.org/ShtetlSeeker/loctown.htm The old 1910 Hungarian megye map is at : http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dsinfo.htm		2003/10/20, 05:52:42 #: 200310260 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Varga Botond: Re: Varga family > Dear Judi! I'm was surprised with your letter!(excuse me for I don't speak well=20 english!)Bihardioszeg is in Romania, near the bord from hungary,=20 romanian name is Diosig, Bihar country. Deva is in the south of=20 Transilvania, Andrasfalva is in Bukovina , the northest part of Romania,=20 andrasfalva's romanian name is Andreeni.What is your religion,=20 because my family is reformate. Tomorroww I will go to Dioszeg, and I=20 will questiond my grandfather, probably he hards from Varga Jozsef, if=20 he was the same Varga, then us! Thanks for writing Boti		2003/10/20, 19:45:23 #: 200310275 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Varga Botond: Re: Varga family > Dear Judi! I'm was surprised with your letter!(excuse me for I don't speak well=20 english!)Bihardioszeg is in Romania, near the bord from hungary,=20 romanian name is Diosig, Bihar country. Deva is in the south of=20 Transilvania, Andrasfalva is in Bukovina , the northest part of Romania,=20 andrasfalva's romanian name is Andreeni.What is your religion,=20 because my family is reformate. Tomorroww I will go to Dioszeg, and I=20 will questiond my grandfather, probably he hards from Varga Jozsef, if=20 he was the same Varga, then us! Thanks for writing Boti		2003/10/20, 19:45:36 #: 200310276 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: Varga family Zlatica, Koszonom for your reply. Sounds like the Varga's are all over Eastern Europe. Koszonom for the map sites! Judi		2003/10/21, 04:19:06 #: 200310294 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: Varga family Boti, Thanks again for writing. Your English is so much better than my Hungarian! :-) It sounds like most of your Varga family (csalad?) migrated to Romania. Do you know why? You mentioned the younger children (gyerek?) moved back to Hungary. When did they move back? You asked my religion. I am a Methodist. My grandfather Josef (Jozef?) raised my father and his five sisters Catholic. My grandmother, Julia Szuras Nemeth was also a Catholic. What is reform? Is it refomate Jewish? I have often wondered if our family was originally Jewish and my grandfather left Hungary to avoid persecution. I know there are Varga's that are Jewish. That would be exciting and interesting to know! I know very little about the family in Hungary except they owned land, had a vineyard, bottled their own wine and raised black Arabian horses. They did all their own work since the family was so large. My grandfather Josef Varga was born in March of 1879 in Hungary. He was in the Crown Guard in 1900 and came to America in 1902. We do not know the name of his 3 sisters and 7 brothers. I will be interested to know what your grandfather says. Koszonom for writing! Judi		2003/10/21, 04:46:56 #: 200310295 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	vet: kérdés Kedves Boti! Az én ükapám V. János tudomásom szerint Bihardiószegen született 1872-ben (felesége Diószegi Júliann), nem tudom hány gyerekük volt, csak azt hogy dédapámat Varga Jánosnak hívták és Nagysármásra költözött (Kolozs megye) ahol feleségül vette Linka Bertát. Egyébként reformátusok voltak. Üdv.: Varga Endre		2003/10/27, 21:26:24 #: 200310395 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Varga Botond: Re: kérdés Koszonom a levelet! Sajnos asszem nem vagyunk rokonok,, mivel abban az idoben a csalad meg a bukovinai Andrasfalvan lakott, de azert koszonom a levelet1 Me annyi, mindenki szamara, hogy a csalad birtokaban van egy 1911-es Karoli biblia, amit ukapam, Varga Szilveszter Kasler Petertol kapott, bocsanatkeres gyanant(?) udv mindenkinek Boti		2003/10/29, 11:24:47 #: 200310412 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: kérdés Kedves Boti, I was wondering if you heard from your grandfather about your family history. Also the reformate church you talked about - is that Hungarian Reformed? I have heard of Reformed Jewish, but didn't know until recently that there was a Hungarian Reformed church. There is one in my area of the U.S. I have had so much trouble researching my Varga family for the last 3 years, the one place I haven't researched is the possibility that our Varga's in Hungary were Jewish born. Koszonom, Judi		2003/10/29, 18:17:58 #: 200310423 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Varga Botond: Re: kérdés Dear Judi! Thanks for the letter.The reformate church is the reformed church.this is a protestant religion. in my family i don't have jewwish. Good by-Viszontlátásra Boti		2003/10/30, 12:14:01 #: 200310435 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: kérdés Boti, I think you misunderstood. Sorry my Hungarian is so limited. My father's family was raised Catholic. I only recently learned that reform can also refer to protestant religion as well as Jewish. As far as I know, we do not have Jewish people in our family. but I have started looking into that possibility because there is a Jewish Genealogy site that has Vargas listed. I have searched and searched for Varga family members in Hungary since 1999 with no luck. Looking into the possiblilty that our ancestors may have been Jewish is my newest way of researching the family in Hungary. Thank you, Judi		2003/11/02, 18:48:00 #: 2003112 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Csepany Hello: Anyone have any information regarding Csepany (Csepari, Csepanyi)family from the district of Hevesmegye? Also from Eger city or area? The names were sometimes hypenated as the original family name was Csepany. My grandmother lived in Budapest and she also had a sister named Agnes(although I believe it was a given name when she joined the nunnery in Jaszbereny)Possibly her true name was Elizabeth. I am looking for connections to relatives in Eger or in Hevesmegye district.		2003/11/04, 04:40:49 #: 20031124 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Marie: Varga My Grandfather Pal Varga was born 09JAN1895 in Sarszent Lorincz to Istvan and Zsuzsanna (nee Drinozci). He is the brother of Istvan, Jozsef and Janos. He also had a sister Susan who died at an early age. Pal immigrated to the United States in 1911. His father died in Sarszent Lorincz on 01SEP1919. If anyone has any connection or information about this family, please contact me. Thank you, Marie		2003/11/05, 03:42:09 #: 20031137 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Varga The town of Sarszentlorincz falls into the Tolna megye. The old 1910 Hungarian megye map is at : http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 The Hungarian phone site is at : www.matav.hu/tudakozo and a VARGA lists in Szentlorinckata www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator www.stevemorse.org to locate by a village, 8 DRINOCZIs passed thru Ellis Island and 4 were from Sarszentlorincz. Check LDS-Mormons (Family History Center) website if they have church records from this town which you can order and gather ancestral information off of.		2003/11/05, 05:10:07 #: 20031138 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	vet: Re: Csepany kiscsepcsényi Csépányi www.vfmk.hu/vfek/orosz/orosz05.htm www.vfmk.hu/vfek/orosz/045.htm		2003/11/18, 20:41:52 #: 200311220 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	kocs: Re: Varga family Dear Judi, Many passenger names of Ellis Island records were misspelled. Try a new search with Joseph, Jozef, Jozsef and Vargha variants, I got a lot of matches for them. For Nemeth side of your ancestors, please contact -p-o-n-t- Merry Christmas and Happy New Year, Janos from Transylvania (Romania		2003/12/22, 14:32:58 #: 200312260 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Béla: Varga-Keszei marriage I am searching for the family of Erzsebet Varga of Vamoscsalad, Vas County, Hungary. She married to Ferenc Keszei. They had several children: Istvan, Terezia, Imre etc. Terezia Keszei was born in 1860, Vamoscsalad, Vas County, Hungary.		2003/12/22, 17:19:25 #: 200312261 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: Varga family Dear Janos, Thank you for your reply. I will try your suggestion of trying other spellings. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you! Judi		2003/12/23, 06:36:12 #: 200312265 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Varga family Judi It is possible that your ancestor could have come thru other port like Baltimore, Boston, Philadephia, Galveston or Canada if you can not locate his manifest on Ellis Island website. If you are sure that he did pass thru EI and so far you have not found the manifest, try with this website www.stevemorse.org www.jewishgen.org/databases/EIDB/ellis.html		2003/12/23, 07:40:16 #: 200312266 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	minera: Re: Varga family Hello Judi: Was your grandfather born IN Budapest? Would he have mentioned in what district?? The district would have records of births etc. and possibly there would be church records also if he was babptized etc. If I remember correctly the part where the castle is it was known as Buda (the older area of Budapest) Lisa		2003/12/23, 08:15:12 #: 200312267 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Csaba: re Varga Dear Varga... First of all, just to make clear, my ancesters are Szekely, and originaly came from MADEFALVA (today in Romania) Erdely, after big uprasing, 1764, they vent with lot of Szekely family to Moldavia, Bako, and shortly after, in between 1777-1786 they satled in ANDRASFALVA in Bukovina. They had being there till 1883, when mooved again to HERTELENDYFALVA and SZEKEYKEVE (Djurdjova) in today Vojvodina, Serbia. From Bukovina, Andrasfalva and four more vilages all Szekelys mooved away in 1888,1892,1900,1910 to DEVA-Romania; 1905 to Marosludas-Romania, 1941 to Bacska-Vojvodina-Serbia and from there, Bacska in 1944 to Hungary,Baranya (TOLNA,ZALA,VESZPREM). My direct relatives are now in Szekeykeve-Vojvodina,Serbia, also I have relatives from DEVA, but now they are in Australia. For all other relatives I realy do not know, only I can conect trough this informations what I have. Also I have some names, my grengrenfather, which can conect me further back. If some of you have a same back ground let me know than we can talk about. I am in Canada, but next year probably I am going to visit Erdely. Regards, Laslo Varga		2003/12/23, 20:43:01 #: 200312282 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Varga Botond: Re: re Varga Dear Varga Laszlo! I am very happy, because my relatives,specially my grandfathers parents are from Deva. My grandfathers mother was born in Hertelendyfalva,her name was Nagy Rozalia.My grandfather has 9 brothers and sisters. Now he lives in Bihardioszeg, in Romania near Nagyvarad city(to nord from this city) If we are relatives I hope we spoke a lot of, and I hope you speak hungarian, because I don't speak well english. I wish you happy neww year! Varga Boti		2003/12/29, 10:24:32 #: 200312361 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	fg: Re: re Varga Az üzenethez ez a kép is kapcsolódik. Az eredeti méretben történõ megtekintéshez kattintson a képre!		2004/03/01, 18:42:37 #: 20040318 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	judo_ka: Re: re Varga Szia Botond! Ne haragudj, hogy ezzel zavarlak, de nincs véletlenül Varga Ferenc a rokonságodban? A dédmamám 3. "férje" Varga Ferenc volt, de csak annyit tudok, hogy kb. 1931-ben halt meg. Két gyerekük volt József és Julianna, mindkettő az anyuka nevét (Murányi) vitte tovább. Ha ismerős a név, kérlek válaszolj. Köszönöm. Judo		2004/03/04, 19:37:52 #: 20040385 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Varga Botond: Re: re Varga Kedves Judo Utánagondolva annak, amit írtál, nem tartom valószínűnek, hogy közeli rokonok lennénk, ugyanis volt nagyapámnak Ferenc nevű testvére, de 1931-ben még serdülő korú lehetett. Jó keresgélést továbbra is, üdv Boti		2004/03/04, 22:10:29 #: 20040390 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	judo_ka: Re: re Varga Szia Boti! Köszi a gyors választ. Neked is sok sikert a keresgéléshez. Szia, Judo		2004/03/04, 22:22:18 #: 20040391 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Pityu hello mindenki! Pálmonostori Vargákat keresek hogy kapcsolatot tudjak velük felvenni.A nagyapám ott élt de meghalt és az ő őseire lennék kíváncsi. Köszönöm		2004/03/07, 22:10:32 #: 200403126 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Beth Long: Andrasfalva Hello Boti, I have a lot of information about the church records of Andrasfalva, Bukovina. So does my friend Laszlo Rudolf in Bataszek. You can write to him (in Hungarian) at rlaszlo -k-u-k-a-c- freemail.hu -p-o-n-t- What is the name and the approximate birthdate of the Varga ancestor who was born in Andrasfalva? I can see if I can find them in my records. Beth Long		2004/03/13, 01:56:21 #: 200403261 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Csaba: Re: Andrasfalva Hi, I am getting mail from time to time from radix forum, and this last one is giving me hope that I can go further in search for my ancestors. Actuali my grandfather is born in Andrasfalva-Bukovina in 1894 september 26th. His father was Jozeph Varga (Anna-mother) and his mother was Veronika David (child of Joseph and Roza Sebesteny) also from Andrasfalva. Also I have information from "Testimonium ortus & baptismi". Number is 360/II, book # IX, page 49 #71, also house where they lived is # 24 and baptism was on september 29th. 1894., and the prist name was J.Kubafsek. I can't go further and if you can help me anyway, to find my ancestors further, maybe even far as is Madefalva in 1774? Can you please take a look in church records which you have and give some information? Thanks! Laszlo Varga Hello. En Canadaba lakok az utolso 12 eve es az ellot YU-ba laktam (Szekeykeve-Banat-Vajdasag). Sajnos magyarul nem irok ep legjobban de hiszem el lehett olvasni, vagyis megerteni. Szeretnem megtudni tobbet az oseimrol. Hatra amenyit birok menni, amitt tudok az oreg apamrol van, hogy szuletet Szeptember 26.1894be Andrasfalvan-Bukovina, dedoreg apam Jozsef(Anna az anya), dedoreganyam Veronika David (Jozsef es Rozsa Sebesteny gyereke) Oregapam szuletese benne van a konyvbe kinek a (360/II) szama IX,49ik oldal, 71ik sor(?). az egyhaz konyveibe bisztos van tobb. Ha valaki bir segiteni, koszonom, Laszlo Varga		2004/03/14, 19:19:17 #: 200403308 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Beth Long: Bukovina and Deva Hello Laszlo, Saw your post; For about five years (together with a Hungarian researcher), I've been working on a database of Bukovina Szekely and their descendants. Our database now has over 30,000 people in it. Laszlo Rudolf, my Hungarian friend and colleague, has a special interest in the Szekely who migrated to Vojvodina, and has made many research trips there. Later this year, we are hoping to make a trip to Deva and start entering the data of the 600 families who settled there. You can contact me at bethlong3 -k-u-k-a-c- yahoo -p-o-n-t- com or Laszlo Rudolf at rlaszlo@freemail.hu. Beth Long		2004/03/18, 17:01:22 #: 200403373 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Beth Long: Re: Andrasfalva Hi Laszlo, I got the e-mail you sent me, but my reply to you "bounced". Please send me your mailing address, so I can send you the ancestor family tree of Andras Varga. If you send me the data on his wife and children also, I will enter it into our database. Beth		2004/03/23, 03:35:14 #: 200403446 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	andras: Re: Varga family do you know any of jozsef varga's brothers or sisters names, my great grandfather was Istvan Varga and I think he had three sisters and total seven brothers.		2004/03/23, 04:38:49 #: 200403448 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Beth Long: Re: Varga family Are we talking about Jozsef Varga, born April 5, 1863 in Andrasfalva, Bukovina? If so, I have only the name of his mother, Anna Varga, as he was an illegitimate child. Beth Long		2004/03/23, 05:11:43 #: 200403449 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: Varga family Andras, Unfortunately, I do not know the names of my grandfather Josef (Jozsef's?) brothers and sisters. My grandfather talked very little about his life in Hungary. Where in Hungary was your great grandfather from? Did his family have a vineyard and raise horses? Thank you, Judi		2004/03/23, 22:59:48 #: 200403466 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: Varga family Beth, My grandfather was born on March 13, 1879, so I don't think it's the same Jozsef Varga. Thanks, Judi		2004/03/23, 23:01:28 #: 200403467 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: Varga family Zlatica, First of pardon my very late reply. My father of Hungarian decent passed away in October 2003, so I haven't been online much since then. We had always heard he came through Ellis Island, but it would be worth it to check other ports. Thanks for the suggestion! Judi		2004/03/23, 23:06:39 #: 200403468 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: Varga family Lisa, Sorry for my late reply. Have not been online much. We don't know for sure if my grandfather was born in Budapest. His family had a vineyard, so I'm not sure where in the Budapest area there would have been vineyards. I've heard at one time there was. Again, sorry for the late reply, Thanks for your suggestions. Judi		2004/03/23, 23:11:24 #: 200403469 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	minera: Re: Varga family Hi Judy: The old Castle district had vineyards, some privately owned.		2004/03/24, 18:44:34 #: 200403485 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Re: Varga family Hi Judi: Actually, I have seen some artist drawings of Budapest in the 1800's and they showed people tending to their vineyards. The castle was in the background on the hill so I am thinking they were in a different district than the actual castle. Each 'district' usually kept their own records. I myself was born in the Rakospalota district which would be on the OTHER side of the Danube. I am assuming some of the areas around what is now Budapest were later annexed to the city as was Rakospalota. The area you are looking at near the castle which is still there, would probably be the old Buda area, such as Janoshegy etc.		2004/03/24, 18:56:06 #: 200403486 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Re: Varga family Hi Judi: As you mentioned your family worked in the castle itself and as one of the guards. My guess would be they must have lived in the area near the castle as commuting was not that easy back in those days except by carriage or horseback. Perhaps you could do a search for some old maps of Budapest. It is sad that people move and looze touch with family, which is why I try to keep in touch with my relatives in Budapest. My mother's family was from the Eger/Hevesmegye area and she died in 1991 (in Budapest) and my brother in 1995, and most of her family are deceased also. So it is a bit difficult to track her side of the family. My great aunt who died in 1978 was a great family historian. She lived in a convent in Jaszbereny, and even with my information on hand it is still very difficult finding information about the cousins I used to correspond with in my youth. I wish you luck, but it can be discouraging sometimes.		2004/03/24, 19:05:12 #: 200403487 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Re: kérdés Hi The Hungarian Reform church was/is a protestant religion, not affiliated with the Jewish religion. My mother was Catholic and my father belonged to the Reformatus church when they married. I was baptized in the Reformatus church in the Rakospalota district, but later converted to the Catholic religion. When I married my husband who is also Catholic, I received copies of both of my baptism certificates from Budapest. There are still church records that would probably help find information as to who was baptised and when, including godparents (as in my case)although most birth records are probably kept by the main government offices.		2004/03/24, 19:13:26 #: 200403488 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Re: kérdés Hi Judi: If your grandfather was Reformatus he was not Jewish but protestant. Varga is a very common name in Hungary, so that makes it all the more difficult to find information. If you have a birth place the LDS site has a lot of information you can probably access for birth/baptism/death records in all religions in Hungary. Good luck in your search :)		2004/03/24, 19:19:09 #: 200403490 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: kérdés Minera, Thank your for all your replies! There's a wealth of information in them. My grandfather and grandmother were actually raised Catholic, as was my father. Where in Budapest could I get their baptism or birth records. I have no idea which district in Budapest they are from. I have been to the LDS site many times and do not remember birth/baptism/death records for Hungary. Is there a link? Like you said, Varga is a very common name in Hungary and the search can be very discouraging. I haven't done much since my father died, but I want to get back to it. Again, thanks for your kind information. Judi		2004/03/28, 05:27:07 #: 200403553 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Re: kérdés Hi Judi: You say your grandparents were raised Catholic? If they were born in Hungary, and baptised there the records would be kept by the church where they were baptised. Another question. When did they leave Hungary? Under the communist regime everyone had and identification number and a book ' szemelyi igazolvany' that they carried with them. They have numbers in them. If they left after the papers were mandatory the birth place could be easily traced, as would parent's names etc. I am just wondering. I will look into the other question of birth certificate information for Budapest, but most of the records would probably be archived before certain years. I will get back to you though. Good luck		2004/03/28, 05:56:33 #: 200403557 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Wnovak: Re: Rakospalota I see one respondant was born in Rakospalota. I have family there by the names of STEFANCSIK and BELTECZKY. Do you know them? My uncle, Lajos STEFANCSIK lived on Enekes utca and my cousins Jozsef BELTECZKY lives today on Kemeny Istvan utca. When I was doing my graduate studies in Budapest in the 1970s, I spent a lot of time there. Bill Novak		2004/03/28, 06:54:54 #: 200403558 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Re: Rakospalota Hi Bill: I was born in Rakospalota. I am not sure of the exact street address as those areas were torn down and replaced with tenement appartment buildings. My grandmother who died in 1989, lived just west of the tenement apartments on Oroszlany utca (which is also scheduled to be torn down)The street itself was very narrow.My mother moved to Szocs Aron Utca, and lived there until she died in 1991. Unfortunately, Rakospalota is a huge place so I probably do not know the persons whom you are referring to. I have heard of Kemeny Istvan utca.		2004/03/28, 09:19:24 #: 200403562 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Re: kérdés Hi Judi: The Castle District or Varnegyed is in the Buda part of Budapest. The castle is situated on Castle Hill. The original castle itself was destroyed by the Turks, and the rest during the war. There isn't much left of the original castle itself, and now it houses government offices etc. The district that area is in is called Nagyteteny or (XXII district) I am not sure if the birth records are kept past last 100 years or not, but usually kept by local area churches in those districts, if they are older. The main record office is called 'Anyakonyvi hivatal' but I don't know the address for that off hand. I will try and find which diocese is located in that area. If they were born around that district, which was probably the outskirts of the city at that time, and they married in a Catholic church there (being both Catholic)those records are most likely in the church. The LDS church did microfilms of all the records kept by the various churches, and they are usually detailed. But if you are looking for a particular person, it is helpful to know the area, the dates etc. Also, the names could have been changed. I know they changed the street names after the communist regime left. My brother lived on Liptak Lajos utca, and that street name was changed to Szegfu utca. Was your father born in Hungary? If his parents were there should be some sort of record of their names or birthdates. You can try searching for those names in the LDS files. I wish I had listened more closely to my great aunt's stories. She was a family historian of sorts (also a Catholic nun)living in Jaszbereny in the convent there. I do know my mother had a cousing who was a singer her name was Sarosi Kati, and I heard many funny stories about HER childhood etc.I also get frustrated since most of my immediate family on my mother's side have died, and no one to get the information I need to find relatives of a distant cousing who lived in Linz, Austria. I am making a scrapbook of all the family history that I DO have access to, including my birth certificate, my mothers's papers and that of my brother, along with photographs. Maybe that would help my children or their children in family history. On my father's side, the search is easier since I still have uncles and cousins living in Budapest.		2004/03/28, 09:50:36 #: 200403563 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Re: Varga family Hi Judi: Just checking back on the info about your grandparents. Your grandmother worked at the castle as head pastry chef. It is possible there was a restaurant of sorts there after the reconstruction. The castle was rebuilt by the Austrian monarchy, but was destroyed during the war. As you have the date of birth for your granfather, it is likely he is registered in Catholic church records as they keep those for hundreds of years. Unfortunately with Ellis Island records many immigrants could not speak English so names could have been written down incorrectly. Did you try looking for Warga, or even Josef?? In Hungary the names are last names first then given names, which would confuse some immigration officials. I have heard it happen a few times from others. Its worth a try. If they asked him for his name he would have said Varga Jozsef, NOT Josef Varga as we would assume.		2004/03/28, 10:04:01 #: 200403564 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Minera: Re: Varga family Hi Judi: Hope im not being annoying. I did a check on Ellis island records and came up with several Josef Varga 's who came at that year. Adding up the numbers he would have been 21 when he worked for the crown guard. Also the closest was a Josef Varga, married age 28. I did not see the original manifest itself, but if your father was 4 when your grand mother died and he left Hungary or was born there, he would have been older. There was no record of a Julia Horvat listed. Also the age 23 and 28 are similar enough to assume there could be an error in the writing or maybe it was not legible? Just doing my detective work LOL. Did he mention how old he was when he arrived in the US? Did your father come with him or was he born here? Did his wife also come with him or did she use a different name perhaps her maiden name? Just wondering, as some of those old records are not that accurate.		2004/03/28, 11:14:36 #: 200403565 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

Varga - Sirok fórumban: michele: Varga family in Sirok

	erzsike: Re: Varga-Keszei marriage hi, i just found out the name of my great, great grandmother, which was varga anna.she was born in rabamolnari in 1853, i have no info with regards to siblings or parents at present, but she lived in vas megye too.its a possibilty that she was a relative, but i dont know!anyway, take care, erzsike.		2004/06/21, 03:16:59 #: 200406397 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	bambigirl: Re: kérdés Judi, My great grandfather Antal Krecsmar came to the US in 1905 and according to Ellis Island the person he was joining was his brother in law Gusztav Varga in Columbus Ohio. I was checking out this site to see if anyone had posted regarding Gusztav Varga and saw your post. I saw on SSDI site a Joseph Varga that was born 3/13/1887 and died August of 1967 in Braddock PA. Could this be your grandfather? Do you have a copy of his death certificate? This will usually list his parents names. What about a copy of his death notice. Have you tried to get a copy of his marriage certificate to your grandmother? Do you have a copy of her death notice? Her death certificate? Did she die in Cleveland Ohio? If she did die in Cleveland Ohio I can see if I can get her death certificate and death notice for you if you do not live in Ohio. I could email you copies. The Ohio Historical Library has copies of death certificates from 1908 to 1944. According to OHS search there is a Julia Varga that died 10/08/1921. Let me know if you think that any of this helps you. Barb		2004/06/23, 02:11:10 #: 200406445 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: kérdés Barb, My grandfather, Joseph Vargo/Varga was born in Hungary on March 19, 1879 and died in November 15, 1967 in southern Ohio. I believe my grandmother, Julia Vargo died in 1923. My father was about 4 years old when she died. About a week before my father died, we found my grandparents marriage certificate. They were married on Nov. 1, 1908 in southern Ohio. Her maiden name on the certificate was Szuras. I think her stepfather was a Nemeth. Her birth father died. I do have my grandfather's SSN Death record. His mother's name was unknown, his father's name was listed as "Barney" Varga. My guess is the person taking the information did not understand my grandfather's accent and just wrote Barney. I do not have copies of death certificates or death notices for either one of my grandparents. How do you get copies from the Ohio History Library? My grandparents settled in the Athens, Ohio area, which is not far from Columbus. Maybe there is a connection? My grandfather and my father and sisters did live in Cleveland, Ohio area (Fairport Harbor) for a time. My Dad loved the lighthouse up there. I live closer to Dayton, Ohio. You did help giving me ideas to look for death certificates. Thank you, Judi		2004/06/23, 06:02:35 #: 200406449 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	bambigirl: Re: kérdés Judi, You could fill out the form and pay a staff member to do the searching, or you can go to the library yourself and search. The Ohio Historical Library site is www.ohiohistory.org. At the bottom of the page is a link for the archives/library, it gives you all the information you will need. I am planning a trip to the library myself on July 10th and I would be glad to look the information up for you. I can either snail mail you a copy or scan it and email it to you if you want to wait until then. The library has copies of many of the ohio newspapers, census records, phone directories and a lot of county histories. Let me know if I can help. Barb		2004/06/24, 02:20:43 #: 200406468 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: kérdés Barb, Thank you for the offer to look up my grandparents. That's just too much to ask of you. I will go to the site and see what I can find. Thanks for that address. Thanks again for the offer. Judi		2004/06/24, 04:12:21 #: 200406470 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: Varga family Minera, I haven't been on this site for a while and realized I have answered many of your questions. Sorry. I'm on so many Hungarian sites, I loose track! :-) My grandfather left Hungary in 1902 and my grandmother we are not sure. They were married in Ohio, so no records would be available in Hungary unless it was birth or baptism. My father and all of his sisters were born in Ohio also. That's interesting that there were vineyards in the Budapest area. thanks again for all your info. Judi		2004/06/24, 04:19:40 #: 200406471 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	laura: Re: Varga family I am also looking for some Varga's from Hungary. I have found Janos Varga who was married to Katalin Malovics. They had children Istvan, Janos, Karoly, Antal, Mariska, Ilona, Anna, and Roza. The children were born in the late 1800's. If anyone has information or leads on any of these names. I would appreciate it. Laura		2004/08/30, 23:26:43 #: 200408657 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ltbiking: Re: Varga Marie, I have a great grandfather and a great-great grandfather by the name of Janos Varga. I am searching for relatives of theirs. Perhaps we could help each other. Laura		2004/09/08, 22:06:41 #: 200409156 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	ltbiking: Re: Varga family Judi, I also have Varga's and Nemeths in my ancestry. Perhaps we both have information that could help each other out. Let me know. Laura		2004/09/08, 22:16:42 #: 200409157 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Otsn: Re: Varga family Laura, Thanks for your reply. My grandfather was Josef Varga and my grandmother was Juliana Nemeth. She was born in Budapest in 1875. My grandmother's birth father's name I believe was Szuras. The Nemeth surname was her stepfather. Some in our family think it was the other way around, but who knows! She was the head pastry chef in the Palace in Budapest. We are not sure when she came to the U.S. My grandfather had 7 brothers and 3 sisters and we think he was born in Budapest in 1879. We do not know the brother or sisters names. They had a vineyard, raised horses and bottled their own wine. He served in the Crown Guard in the Palace in Budapest. My grandfather came to the U.S. in 1902. He settled in Ohio and married my grandmother. They had 5 children, Julia, Betty, Rose, Goldy and Frank (my father) Vargo. Name was changed from Varga to Vargo in the U.S. I would be glad to help you in any way. I have been searching since 1999 with no luck. Does any of the family histroy I gave sound familiar to you? Judi		2004/09/08, 22:55:52 #: 200409158 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Laura: Re: Varga family Judi, The latest Nemeth I have is Elisabetha Nemeth (1816) who married Georgius Malovics in Koszeg, Vas, Hungary. I have a lot of information at home with other Vargas and Nemeths as I am trying to put the pieces together. I will look into them when I get home. I know I have some Jozef (sp.) Vargas. I am looking for siblings or parents for a Janos Varga from Budapest Hungary. I also have many other names from different lines of my family... Sandor, Jager, Roszner, Oszvald, Marovits, Toth, Achs, Kopandi, and Karsai. I will get back to you on Josef. Let me know if you have any info on any of these other names. thanks, Laura		2004/09/08, 23:13:18 #: 200409159 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	andre mommen: Re: Varga family Dear, This story sounds very strange. Serving in the horse guard means that the person had a "noble" background. And his wife worked in the pastry department (the kitchen)? Varga, a very common name, means "shoemaker". And Nemeth, also very common, means "German". It seems to me that both persons were of popular origins. Maybe that father Varga was a "horseman" responsible for breeding etc. People of the nobility usually did not emigrate to the US. Maybe that this Varga had adopted this Hungarian name in order to assimilate faster. André		2004/12/13, 14:30:17 #: 200412402 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	minera: Re: Varga family Hello: Why would serving in the horse guard be considered elite? Are you suggesting they were simply simbolic? Such as the British have for their royalty? Many of those guards themselves are not of 'noble' birth but representatives of different parts of the Commonwealth, such as the Scots , the Irish the Welsh. They are distinguished by their uniforms and various tartans. According to Judy her grandfather worked at the castle as a royal guard. It is possible he did so at the time it was rebuilt by Marie Terese of the Hapsburgs.The castle itself was completely destroyed after the Turkish invasion and the ruins were leveled and she built a castle on the site. None of the Hapsburg royals ever actually LIVED at the castle, only their representative the viceroy. It is possible during this time her granfather lived or worked there. When the Hapsburg dynasty fell Admiral Horty lived there for a short time until he was removed in a coup by the Germans in 1944. During WWII the castle was completely devastated during the siege of Budapest. What we see today is a reconstruction done in the 50's and it now houses a museum of the arts and a library etc. I am not sure what your reference to 'nobility' means. The royal guards were NOT nobility unless you are referring to the time of Queen Beatrice before the Turks invaded. Judging from the timeline she suggest as to when her granfather came to the US, it would appear he worked there before the Hapsburgs were removed during the revolution against them by Hungarians. Both the Royal guards and the horse guards were simbolic. Also after the break with Austria all Hungarian noble titles given previously were revoked.With communism even land ownership became property of the state. Yes Varga means shoemaker, and Nemet refers to perhaps an ancestor of German origin where the name originated. As is Komaromi (from Komarom)Szabo(tailor)Kovacs(smith)but no LESS a Hungarian name than Nemeth. There was no NEED to assimilate since both were Hungarians.		2004/12/15, 04:26:31 #: 200412460 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	minera: Re: Csepany Hello: In reply to your links. I know they are my ancestors. My grandmother (mothers' mother) used the name Csepari-Csepany-Csepany. The mentioned links are the Eger branch of ancestors. However I was hopeing to find and reconnect with twin cousins Elizabeth and Maria Csepany, identical twin sisters I lost contact with during the late 60's. They lived in Eger. My great aunt Agnes my grandmother's sister lived a short distance from Eger at the nunnery in Jaszbereny.		2004/12/15, 04:42:00 #: 200412461 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	minera: Re: Varga family Hi Judi: Yes people had vin yards, although not the extensive ones like those in Eger, most had small ones for personal use. Also, I remember you mentioned 'Arabian' horses. Is it possible your grandfather was a member of the Hussars? They were a millitary group famous for their horses. They were also well trained for battle, rode swift horses and prepared the way for advaced calvaries.		2004/12/15, 05:30:55 #: 200412463 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	minera: Re: Varga family Hello Judi: Once again back to your grandparents history. The time line of your grandfather working in the Crown Guard was probably close to the time of the fall of the Hapsburgs and the split from Austria and probably just before the castle itself was destroyed. Contrary to what the previous poster suggested, crown guards were not of noble birth. As horses for modes of transportation and show were more prevalent it is not surprising he raised horses. My own grandfather used the same means of transportation. Actually even in the 50's many people used horse drawn carts to take things to market. He had a small vineyard which was also common as many made their own wine, and palinka even my father's father although he purchased the grapes and plums and he lived in Budapest. He was born in 1895 so such means of transport were not uncommon.		2004/12/15, 05:58:25 #: 200412464 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Lajos Reich: Re: Varga family Minera, I am living in Rákospalota - Pestújhely. Please, write me person to: reichl -k-u-k-a-c- aik -p-o-n-t- hu or reichlajos@axelero.hu I asked about Csépán/Csépánys on the Rootsweb, because I have a very good friend, named Csépán. Your sincerely: Lajos Reich		2004/12/15, 09:20:42 #: 200412470 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Julie: Re: Varga family Looking for Info on Joseph Varga my great grandfather born 1882 in Kaponya. Had four children. Joseph, Bert, Julius and Maria. Joseph was born in New York the remaining 3 children born in Hungary. My grandfather is Julius born in 1909.He eventually settled in Columbus Ohio and married Margereth Tremmer from Gecse.		2004/12/29, 13:57:32 #: 200412849 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Lajos Reich: Re: Varga family Kaponya was in the Hungarian Kingdom, in the former Zemplén county, now that is in Slovakia, named Kapona. You can see here:http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/zemplen.jpg Look at the blue field downstairs, Kaponya is in its righ-upper part. You can see, where was Zemplén County in the Historical Hungary here: http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910/vmlista.htm		2004/12/29, 14:37:49 #: 200412851 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Varga family Julie To locate a town in Slovak Republic use : http://mapy.atlas.sk The SK's phone site is at www.zoznamst.sk and surname VARGA lists in village Leles. The village of Kapona was incorporated to Leles in 1941. www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator		2004/12/29, 17:07:45 #: 200412855 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	julie: Re: Varga family Thank you for the help. I recvd. an email in Hungarian. I will now try and tranlate it. Any recommended sites?		2004/12/29, 17:20:11 #: 200412856 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Zlatica : Re: Varga family Your welcome, Julie. Can not help you with Hungarian only with Slovak. I do have some websites which you can take a look for some helpful suggestions. www.iabsi.com/gen/public A map of Austria-Hungary : http://users.erols.com/mwhite28/austhung.htm The old 1910 Hungarian megye map is at : http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 The LDS-Mormons have filmed the church records so you can order the films and gather ancestral information. www.bmi.net/jjaso to familiarize yourself with church wording. www.fam.aust.com/topolcsany/names first name translation		2004/12/29, 18:02:12 #: 200412858 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	janos: Re: Varga family Hi, Julie! Just send it to me, I will translate in few moments. Janos		2004/12/29, 19:46:09 #: 200412863 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	Julie: Re: Varga family Janos, may I have your email address please and I will forward it. Thank you so much!		2004/12/29, 20:53:28 #: 200412867 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil

	kocs: Re: Varga family Hi, Sorry, I forgot to log in, I hope you have the address in my pfofile, or if don't work, kocs_at_rdsbv_dot_ro.		2004/12/29, 20:58:24 #: 200412868 válasz erreszerkesztés moderálandó? profil