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John Weitzner: Looking for relatives
I was born: Budapest, Hungary 1943
My father was: Weitzner Peter Pal born: Cibakhaza
My grandfather was Weitzner Gyula: lived: Cibakhaza, Szolnok
My great-grandfather was Weitzner David

Anyone know about this family please contact me john_weitzner -k-u-k-a-c- cox -p-o-n-t- net

2004/04/03, 21:31:35
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Zlatica : Re: Looking for relatives
Do not know this family. Just want to give you some websites which might help you in your search.

www.rat.de/kuijsten/navigator
http://vivisimo.com
www.genealogienetz.de/reg/ESE/dsinto.htm
www.imrehun.com

http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/maps/1910 click on Szolnok
www.matav.hu/tudakozo Hungary's phone site
The LDS-Mormons (Family History Center) website is listing a Roman Catholic church records of Czibakhaza. You can order the films and gather ancestral information.
www.bmi.net/jjaso to familiarize yourself with church wording.
95 WEITZNERs passed thru Ellis Island to America.
2004/04/04, 03:15:57
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John Weitzner: Re: Looking for relatives
Thanks for your kind response!

John
2004/04/04, 09:11:13
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Szená: Re: Looking for relatives
HI!
Im Sana Nagel.
Im living in Kunszentmárton,20km far from Cibakhaza.
Here we have a reformed pasztor,who help in lot of question.
He said that here in this regio many jewish people lived before II.world war.Lot of them was registy in reformed register.I will ask to you who can help to from Cibakhaza,and i will send to your email the names and mail addresses.
Bye,Sana
2004/04/06, 13:22:51
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John Weitzner: Re: Looking for relatives
Kedves Sana Nagel!

Koszonom, hogy keresemre valaszolt. Aprilis 15-en Pestre megyek es tervezem, hogy Magyarorszagon tartozkodasom ideje alatt Cibakhazara lemenyjek. Ha lehet szeretnek talalkozni az emlitett pasztorral es ha Cibakhazarol talal egy hasonlo kontaktust akkor vele is.

Udvozlettel,

Weitzner Janos email cimem: john_weitzner -k-u-k-a-c- cox -p-o-n-t- net
2004/04/07, 03:21:16
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andre mommen: Re: Looking for relatives
Hello,

I met the name Wetizner in the state archives in Budapest. Files of Jewish parish of Nagyteteny.
Mentioned is : Weitznerfelohaze. Second part of the compiste word I could not good reed because the microfilms dod permit it.
Was there a Weitzner having some kind of hospital or clinique in Nagyteteny (BP XXII) in or around 1886? Som,ebody died there in that year. What does "felohaze" mean? Dictionary is silent about this word. Rabi's in that period were not always very good in Hungarian language. Maybe it is a bastard word.
Thank you,

Andre Mommen
University of Amsterdam

2006/05/22, 00:31:34
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mommenmf: Re: Looking for relatives
Good morning

Trying to track the origins of the Mommen surname
immigrated to South Africa in late 1800

regards
matthew
2006/11/10, 07:43:43
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kezdi: Re: Looking for relatives
"andre mommen: Re: Looking for relatives, 22/05/2006
Mentioned is : Weitznerfelohaze. Second part of the compiste word I could not good reed because the microfilms dod permit it. What does "felohaze" mean?"

Andre,

"felohaze" most likely a misspelled compounded word "felo haze". Would help if you could upload a picture of it here.

"felo" could be fele=half of, féle=kind of/property of, felé=direction of.

Almost sure, that "haze" is házé=of house, or háza=house of.

So, without seeing the originals, and guessing based on your description, it was an old Hung. costum to call buildings by the names of the owners, as such could be "the" Weitzner house.

Joseph
2006/11/11, 20:18:21
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Andre Mommen: Re: Looking for relatives
Dear Matthew,


I do not know that person that went to SA.

A few years ago I met a man named (Steve?)Mommen from Durban, working at the university at that moment and occupied by his hobby that was soaring. (Are you his son?)He told me that all people named Mommen in SA had one ascendent, his overgrandfather, a certain Aloysius Mommen arriving by ship in South Africa having the proffesion of musician. The latter is a little bit particular. A fiddler? Maybe that M. was not a musician at all. Maybe that he had been a adventurer joining the Boers against the English. That was not exceptional for many young men were attempted by a trip to another part of the world. In The Hague in Holland the SA embassy did recruit them and maybe paid for the trip.And because of the language there was not a problem when joining a batalion commanded by a Boer.Maybe that, later on, he had become a fiddler playing in the villages or that he was a coffeehouse and honky-tonk musician.

M. left the Catholic Church for the English Church, Steve Mommen told me. Which is reasonable, because Dutch speaking people there were Calvinists and (still are?) not so openminded. A fiddler needs another church. After the settlement with the English this was not a treason anymore...

Was Mommen a relative of mine???? People with that name are few. Most of them are living in or their grandparents were born in Belgium, in the Flemish section near to the provincial towns of Hasselt, Diest. They were all peasants, cattle or horse merchants and mill-owners. My grandfather and father did the same businesses. They were agrarian entrepreneurs. Maybe that the Mommen that went to SA was such a kind of person with entrepreneurial skills having learnt playing an instrument during his military service. My father did the same in the 1920s, he played a clarinet and never fired a bullet or climbed a wall. If the SA Mommen had the same aptitudes and attitudes he would have been of any value to the Botha's.

The name Mommen appears for the first time around 1660. But there ar more variants on it, Mommens, Mommers etc. Mommen means somebody who is a tutor of a child in low age or a mental or otherwise handicaped person; maybe that it also means somebody in a village appointed for that task. In that case the profession is called Mommer or Momber or Mombaer. The end -s which can be joined in family names to the radix refers to "son of". Like in English.
In France, the eastern German-speaking part there is place named Mommenheim.

In Germany the variant of the name is usually Mommsen, and there are many of them. Appartenly is this variant derived from Mommensohn.

Sometimes this variant of Mommsen causes some confusion when visiting Germany. People think that I am a Mommsen too.

Greetings

Andre
2006/11/12, 12:28:28
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online1009894 -k-u-k-a-c- dsl.2glosh.telkomsa -p-o-n-t- net: Re: Looking for relatives
2008/08/19, 11:07:51
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online1009894 -k-u-k-a-c- dsl.2glosh.telkomsa -p-o-n-t- net: Re: Looking for relatives
Dear Andre I am also looking for relatives my grandmother was Catherine Elizabeth Mommen born 27 October 1895 and was from Oudtshoorn Cape Town SA, She was married with Gert Thomas Young and died in 1971 24 Desember. I am here granddaugther also Catherine Elizabeth Rudd. I now the family in Durban.
2008/08/19, 11:12:47
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matthew: surname mommen
Hi there I am Matthew Mommen and yes the Mommen family
in South Africa are all related.
I know my gradfather's sisters married name was Young and
she lived in the northern part of Pretoria.
My gradfather would always say the Mommen familiy came from Belgium.
Steven we know well and visited quiet often when we were much younger. He is originally from Durban his father's name was Maurice.
There are Mommen relatives in Cape Town Leonard his fathers
name was John Leonard , also a Mommen family in Port Elizabeth which I have not met. I do know the Durban families but over the years contact has been broken.
Regards
Matthew
2008/08/19, 16:17:56
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matthew: Re: Looking for relatives
Hi there I am Matthew Mommen and yes the Mommen family
in South Africa are all related.
I know my gradfather's sisters married name was Young and
she lived in the northern part of Pretoria.
My gradfather would always say the Mommen familiy came from Belgium.
Steven we know well and visited quiet often when we were much younger. He is originally from Durban his father's name was Maurice.
There are Mommen relatives in Cape Town Leonard his fathers
name was John Leonard , also a Mommen family in Port Elizabeth which I have not met. I do know the Durban families but over the years contact has been broken.
Regards
Matthew

2008/08/20, 15:15:20
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Maurice Mommen: Re: Looking for relatives
Hello,

I followed the genealogy and it went back to Leonard Aloysius in the 1850s. This infomation I got from a genealogy book in at the Natal library.I no longer have that information but I'm sure it can be accessed. My grandfather came from Oudhtshoorn. The family eventually ended up in Durban, two sons remained in Durban, Hans and Maurice Aloysius. Steven and myself are sons of Maurice Aloysius.The family moved to Pietermaritzburg in the early 70s.

Andre Mommen is a political scientist at the University of Amsterdam. He contacted me while I was at University in PMB. Steven visited him in Amsterdam.
2008/12/08, 17:54:46
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jweitzner: Re: Looking for relatives
Dear Sana Nagel,

Thanks for the update... I know there has been several years passed but could you please put me in touch with the pasztor you suggested?

Regards,

John Weitzner - my email: john_weitzner -k-u-k-a-c- cox -p-o-n-t- net
2011/08/28, 06:50:28
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